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Kim@spadylaw.com
Tue, Aug 16, 2022 4:25 PM

In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality,
there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque.  I know there have
been bigger shindigs, though.

Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done?  I
do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds.
I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight.

Thanks

Kim Spady

In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque. I know there have been bigger shindigs, though. Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done? I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight. Thanks Kim Spady
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Mark Ramsey
Tue, Aug 16, 2022 8:04 PM

As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can't make gifts to individuals.  Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can't give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc.  I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven't looked lately.

Good Luck!

Mark H. Ramsey
For the Firm
Taylor, Foster, Mallett,
Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C.
P.O. Box 309
Claremore, OK 74018
918-343-4100
918-343-4900 fax
mramsey@soonerlaw.commailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com
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In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque.  I know there have been bigger shindigs, though.

Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done?  I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight.

Thanks
Kim Spady

As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can't make gifts to individuals. Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can't give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc. I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven't looked lately. Good Luck! Mark H. Ramsey For the Firm Taylor, Foster, Mallett, Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C. P.O. Box 309 Claremore, OK 74018 918-343-4100 918-343-4900 fax mramsey@soonerlaw.com<mailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com> The information contained in this electronic mail transmission (including any accompanying attachments) is intended solely for its authorized recipient(s), and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, or responsible for delivering some or all of this transmission to an intended recipient, you have received this transmission in error and are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from reading, copying, printing, distributing or disclosing any of the information contained in it. In that event, please contact us immediately by telephone (918) 343-4100 or by electronic mail at postmaster@soonerlaw.com<mailto:postmaster@soonerlaw.com> and delete the original and all copies of this transmission (including any attachments) without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. From: Kim@spadylaw.com <Kim@spadylaw.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:25 AM To: 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Oama] Retirement Party -- who pays? Notice: This email is from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected e-mail. ________________________________ In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque. I know there have been bigger shindigs, though. Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done? I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight. Thanks Kim Spady
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Lou Ann Moudy
Wed, Aug 17, 2022 5:22 AM

Here we put in $10 each to cover food and party decorations

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Subject: [Oama] Re: Retirement Party -- who pays?

As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can’t make gifts to individuals.  Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can’t give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc.  I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven’t looked lately.

Good Luck!

Mark H. Ramsey

For the Firm

Taylor, Foster, Mallett,

Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C.

P.O. Box 309

Claremore, OK 74018

918-343-4100

918-343-4900 fax

mramsey@soonerlaw.commailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com

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In most instances I’ve seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque.  I know there have been bigger shindigs, though.

Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done?  I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I’ve been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight.

Thanks

Kim Spady

Here we put in $10 each to cover food and party decorations Sent from my U.S.Cellular© Smartphone Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Mark Ramsey <MRamsey@soonerlaw.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:04:41 PM To: Kim@spadylaw.com <Kim@spadylaw.com>; 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Oama] Re: Retirement Party -- who pays? As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can’t make gifts to individuals. Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can’t give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc. I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven’t looked lately. Good Luck! Mark H. Ramsey For the Firm Taylor, Foster, Mallett, Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C. P.O. Box 309 Claremore, OK 74018 918-343-4100 918-343-4900 fax mramsey@soonerlaw.com<mailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com> The information contained in this electronic mail transmission (including any accompanying attachments) is intended solely for its authorized recipient(s), and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, or responsible for delivering some or all of this transmission to an intended recipient, you have received this transmission in error and are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from reading, copying, printing, distributing or disclosing any of the information contained in it. In that event, please contact us immediately by telephone (918) 343-4100 or by electronic mail at postmaster@soonerlaw.com<mailto:postmaster@soonerlaw.com> and delete the original and all copies of this transmission (including any attachments) without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. From: Kim@spadylaw.com <Kim@spadylaw.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:25 AM To: 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Oama] Retirement Party -- who pays? Notice: This email is from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected e-mail. ________________________________ In most instances I’ve seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque. I know there have been bigger shindigs, though. Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done? I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I’ve been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight. Thanks Kim Spady
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Lowell Peterson
Thu, Aug 18, 2022 10:07 PM

I have no idea whether this is applicable to a retired municipal police officer but, with respect to retired HP troopers, Title 47 § 2-150 provides that,
"A commissioned officer of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol ...  shall be entitled to receive upon retirement, by reason of length of service or physical disability, the continued custody and possession of the sidearm and badge carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. In addition to the sidearm carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement, the retired officer may purchase the rifle or shotgun, or both, issued to the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. The cost to the retired officer of purchasing the weapon or weapons shall be the price the Department paid at the time of purchase, and, upon payment of that price, the retired officer shall be entitled to ownership of the weapon or weapons.  ..."  Just for kicks, he or she also gets to keep his license plate, but he or she can't use it on a personal vehicle.
We once had a retired officer in Glenpool who was so well-liked and respected that other members of the force chipped in and bought his service weapon as a gift.

Lowell Peterson
22309 E. 67th Street S.
Broken Arrow, OK 74014
lpeterson@live.commailto:lpeterson@live.com
Cell (918) 805-4090

From: Mark Ramsey MRamsey@soonerlaw.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:05 PM
To: Kim@spadylaw.com; 'oama' oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Retirement Party -- who pays?

As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can't make gifts to individuals.  Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can't give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc.  I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven't looked lately.

Good Luck!

Mark H. Ramsey
For the Firm
Taylor, Foster, Mallett,
Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C.
P.O. Box 309
Claremore, OK 74018
918-343-4100
918-343-4900 fax
mramsey@soonerlaw.commailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com
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In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque.  I know there have been bigger shindigs, though.

Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done?  I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight.

Thanks
Kim Spady

I have no idea whether this is applicable to a retired municipal police officer but, with respect to retired HP troopers, Title 47 § 2-150 provides that, "A commissioned officer of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol ... shall be entitled to receive upon retirement, by reason of length of service or physical disability, the continued custody and possession of the sidearm and badge carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. In addition to the sidearm carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement, the retired officer may purchase the rifle or shotgun, or both, issued to the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. The cost to the retired officer of purchasing the weapon or weapons shall be the price the Department paid at the time of purchase, and, upon payment of that price, the retired officer shall be entitled to ownership of the weapon or weapons. ..." Just for kicks, he or she also gets to keep his license plate, but he or she can't use it on a personal vehicle. We once had a retired officer in Glenpool who was so well-liked and respected that other members of the force chipped in and bought his service weapon as a gift. Lowell Peterson 22309 E. 67th Street S. Broken Arrow, OK 74014 lpeterson@live.com<mailto:lpeterson@live.com> Cell (918) 805-4090 From: Mark Ramsey <MRamsey@soonerlaw.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:05 PM To: Kim@spadylaw.com; 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Oama] Re: Retirement Party -- who pays? As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can't make gifts to individuals. Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can't give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc. I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven't looked lately. Good Luck! Mark H. Ramsey For the Firm Taylor, Foster, Mallett, Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C. P.O. Box 309 Claremore, OK 74018 918-343-4100 918-343-4900 fax mramsey@soonerlaw.com<mailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com> The information contained in this electronic mail transmission (including any accompanying attachments) is intended solely for its authorized recipient(s), and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, or responsible for delivering some or all of this transmission to an intended recipient, you have received this transmission in error and are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from reading, copying, printing, distributing or disclosing any of the information contained in it. In that event, please contact us immediately by telephone (918) 343-4100 or by electronic mail at postmaster@soonerlaw.com<mailto:postmaster@soonerlaw.com> and delete the original and all copies of this transmission (including any attachments) without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. From: Kim@spadylaw.com<mailto:Kim@spadylaw.com> <Kim@spadylaw.com<mailto:Kim@spadylaw.com>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:25 AM To: 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.org<mailto:oama@lists.imla.org>> Subject: [Oama] Retirement Party -- who pays? Notice: This email is from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected e-mail. ________________________________ In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque. I know there have been bigger shindigs, though. Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done? I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight. Thanks Kim Spady
LP
Lowell Peterson
Fri, Aug 19, 2022 4:48 PM

I have no idea whether this is applicable to a retired municipal police officer but, with respect to retired HP troopers, Title 47 § 2-150 provides that,
"A commissioned officer of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol ...  shall be entitled to receive upon retirement, by reason of length of service or physical disability, the continued custody and possession of the sidearm and badge carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. In addition to the sidearm carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement, the retired officer may purchase the rifle or shotgun, or both, issued to the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. The cost to the retired officer of purchasing the weapon or weapons shall be the price the Department paid at the time of purchase, and, upon payment of that price, the retired officer shall be entitled to ownership of the weapon or weapons.  ..."  Just for kicks, he or she also gets to keep his license plate, but he or she can't use it on a personal vehicle.
We once had a retired officer in Glenpool who was so well-liked and respected that other members of the force chipped in and bought his service weapon as a gift.

Lowell Peterson
22309 E. 67th Street S.
Broken Arrow, OK 74014
lpeterson@live.commailto:lpeterson@live.com
Cell (918) 805-4090

From: Mark Ramsey <MRamsey@soonerlaw.commailto:MRamsey@soonerlaw.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:05 PM
To: Kim@spadylaw.commailto:Kim@spadylaw.com; 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.orgmailto:oama@lists.imla.org>
Subject: [Oama] Re: Retirement Party -- who pays?

As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can't make gifts to individuals.  Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can't give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc.  I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven't looked lately.

Good Luck!

Mark H. Ramsey
For the Firm
Taylor, Foster, Mallett,
Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C.
P.O. Box 309
Claremore, OK 74018
918-343-4100
918-343-4900 fax
mramsey@soonerlaw.commailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com
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In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque.  I know there have been bigger shindigs, though.

Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done?  I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight.

Thanks
Kim Spady

I have no idea whether this is applicable to a retired municipal police officer but, with respect to retired HP troopers, Title 47 § 2-150 provides that, "A commissioned officer of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol ... shall be entitled to receive upon retirement, by reason of length of service or physical disability, the continued custody and possession of the sidearm and badge carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. In addition to the sidearm carried by the retired officer immediately prior to retirement, the retired officer may purchase the rifle or shotgun, or both, issued to the retired officer immediately prior to retirement. The cost to the retired officer of purchasing the weapon or weapons shall be the price the Department paid at the time of purchase, and, upon payment of that price, the retired officer shall be entitled to ownership of the weapon or weapons. ..." Just for kicks, he or she also gets to keep his license plate, but he or she can't use it on a personal vehicle. We once had a retired officer in Glenpool who was so well-liked and respected that other members of the force chipped in and bought his service weapon as a gift. Lowell Peterson 22309 E. 67th Street S. Broken Arrow, OK 74014 lpeterson@live.com<mailto:lpeterson@live.com> Cell (918) 805-4090 From: Mark Ramsey <MRamsey@soonerlaw.com<mailto:MRamsey@soonerlaw.com>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:05 PM To: Kim@spadylaw.com<mailto:Kim@spadylaw.com>; 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.org<mailto:oama@lists.imla.org>> Subject: [Oama] Re: Retirement Party -- who pays? As I recall, there is authority under Okla. Const. Art. 10 Section 15 that the state can't make gifts to individuals. Attorney General Jan Eric Cartwright took a very strict view of that provision so you should be able to find some AG opinions that say the state can't give a retired trooper a gun or badge, etc. I think he may have said this applies to municipalities via Okla. Const. Art. 10, Section 19, but I haven't looked lately. Good Luck! Mark H. Ramsey For the Firm Taylor, Foster, Mallett, Downs, Ramsey & Russell, P.C. P.O. Box 309 Claremore, OK 74018 918-343-4100 918-343-4900 fax mramsey@soonerlaw.com<mailto:apixley@soonerlaw.com> The information contained in this electronic mail transmission (including any accompanying attachments) is intended solely for its authorized recipient(s), and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, or responsible for delivering some or all of this transmission to an intended recipient, you have received this transmission in error and are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from reading, copying, printing, distributing or disclosing any of the information contained in it. In that event, please contact us immediately by telephone (918) 343-4100 or by electronic mail at postmaster@soonerlaw.com<mailto:postmaster@soonerlaw.com> and delete the original and all copies of this transmission (including any attachments) without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. From: Kim@spadylaw.com<mailto:Kim@spadylaw.com> <Kim@spadylaw.com<mailto:Kim@spadylaw.com>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:25 AM To: 'oama' <oama@lists.imla.org<mailto:oama@lists.imla.org>> Subject: [Oama] Retirement Party -- who pays? Notice: This email is from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected e-mail. ________________________________ In most instances I've seen, when someone retires or leaves a municipality, there will be a reception with cake/cookies and a plaque. I know there have been bigger shindigs, though. Does the municipality pay for a big party or dinner, when that is done? I do not know how that would be an authorized expenditure of taxpayer funds. I've been asked about this, though, so would appreciate any insight. Thanks Kim Spady