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Truelove39@aol.com
Wed, May 31, 2006 12:31 PM

Hi Milt,

Good to see that you are having a good time in expensive Bermuda.

I must beg to differ with your touting the "if it ain't broke,  don't fix
it," philosophy. Having spent many years in charge of maintaining a  fleet of
CG-inspected passenger vessels, that is totally opposed to everything I  believe
in, and I hope that this writing will dissuade others from following it.
Before someone takes me to task and says "Oh, easy for you engineers to say..."
let me state that I realize that there are those who are not comfortable around
machinery. But one must make sure that it is up to snuff and  taken care of
and repaired as needed.There are many good books you can  carry aboard to help
you troubleshoot or better yet, take someone as crew  who has a good aptitude
for mechanics and  electrics.

There are two philosophies in equipment operation: preventive maintenance,
and run-to-destruction. Your suggestion of not checking the oil until (and if)!
the alarm sounds certainly falls into the latter category. Have you
considered that perhaps the alarm might fail to operate, or may be set too low?
There are several options:

  1. Stop the engine and check the oil. This is what we do. Check the jacket
    water level and the reverse gear oil at the same time.
  2. Keep track, from previous passages, of what the oil consumption is and
    simply add that amount when that number of hours is reached, while the  engine
    is running. I have done this, also. You will need to factor in the load  on the
    engine.
  3. Fit a Murphy or similar gauge. Alaska Diesel will not honor the  warranty
    on any engine equipped with Murphy or similar gauges as they require
    connections to the oil pan which, if done incorrectly, might fracture from  vibration
    at certain speeds. But this is simply a hedge against warranty claims  which
    were not ADs fault, and you will find many commercial vessels which use  them.

My point is, its important to have confidence in all aspects of your  vessel,
and I think many people forget this. It is not enough to have a
"bluewater-capable" boat, as you do, because that capability reaches  far deeper than
having a comfortable, heavy hull with high railings and a  Portuguese bridge. If
you are worried that your starter might not operate, why  not have it checked
before you leave? If you are concerned that your get-home  engine won't get you
home, install a bigger one. If you are one of those people  who is a victim
of the FUD created by the purveyors of fuel "polishing"  equipment and the need
for "pre-lubers," go ahead and get one. If you are  rolling in cash, buy a
spare starter. But, please, don't risk wiping the  bearings of a $30,000 engine
because you are afraid it won't  restart. If you assure yourself prior to
passage that all systems are OK,  its highly unlikely that you'll have a problem
while on passage.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"
New Bern, NC

Milt Baker wrote:

--Oil changes, I was careful not to say that my approach of not  shutting down
is not the only approach valid on this.  Still, I noted  that most of you who
weighed in tend to agree with me: shutting down the  main  engine in mid-ocean
on a passagemaking power boat to check oil is  usually not a terrific idea.
Perhaps Bob Austin's vote of dissent comes from  the fact that he usually had
sails as a primary means of propulsion and his  mechanical skills are no doubt
far better then mine!  There's a lot to  be said for: if it ain't broke, don't
fix it.

--Oil changes, take  2.  Brue Kessler's approach is to have a Mourphy gauge
which shows oil  level at all times, and that would seem to make a lot of
sense.  I've  heard that Alaska Diesel doesn't like that, however, because it
adds  additional complexity--more to go wrong.  Any thoughts?

--VHF range  and booster amps.  I was surely surprised to hear Bermuda Radio
190  miles out and all the more surprised when they responded to my call at
about  180 miles.  My electronics guy did not want to install the  130-watt
booser amp because 25 watts is the limit in U.S. waters, but we  could not
find
any rule which prohibited having a booster amplifier as long  as it's not used
in U.S. waters.  The booster is on a separate breaker  and when the breaker is
off, the radio transmits its usual 1 (low) and 25  (high) watt power.  I like
the idea of being able to boom out a VHF  signal when/if we really need
to--and
I admit that this time around we did it  only to test it out.

--On speed and mileage.  Jim Leishman weighed  in suggesting that perhaps our
9
sq. ft. Naiad fins were out of  alignment.  That sounded like a smoking gun to
me, so I got instructions  for measuring alignment from Naiad and took a dip
in
the 76-degree water here  a couple of days ago.  Sure enough, it appears the
port fin is out about  5.5 inches and the starboard fin about half that.  No
doubt dragging  that much fin through the water sideways costing us both speed
and fuel, and  we'll try to have the fins realigned shortly after reaching
New
England.  I'm trying to compile a real world database on N47 RPMs,  speeds and
fuel burn, and I'd welcome any input anyone might have.  Peter if you have
fuel data on the five N47 deliveries you did I'd love to  have 'em offline:
miltbaker@mindspring.com  Bluewater is still  about two inches overpitched on
the prop (34x32 instead of the design 34x30)  which is less than ideal and
which we will deal with as soon as we can.  Dean Wiley, our fist-rate
crewmember on that leg, suggests that the prop  pitch is perhaps more a
problem
than the fin misalignment.  I don't know  which is more of a problem.

Weather permitting, we expect leave for  Newport in a little over a week.

--Milt Baker, N4732 Bluewater, RBYC,  Hamilton, Bermuda

Hi Milt, Good to see that you are having a good time in expensive Bermuda. I must beg to differ with your touting the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," philosophy. Having spent many years in charge of maintaining a fleet of CG-inspected passenger vessels, that is totally opposed to everything I believe in, and I hope that this writing will dissuade others from following it. Before someone takes me to task and says "Oh, easy for you engineers to say..." let me state that I realize that there are those who are not comfortable around machinery. But one must make sure that it is up to snuff and taken care of and repaired as needed.There are many good books you can carry aboard to help you troubleshoot or better yet, take someone as crew who has a good aptitude for mechanics and electrics. There are two philosophies in equipment operation: preventive maintenance, and run-to-destruction. Your suggestion of not checking the oil until (and if)! the alarm sounds certainly falls into the latter category. Have you considered that perhaps the alarm might fail to operate, or may be set too low? There are several options: 1. Stop the engine and check the oil. This is what we do. Check the jacket water level and the reverse gear oil at the same time. 2. Keep track, from previous passages, of what the oil consumption is and simply add that amount when that number of hours is reached, while the engine is running. I have done this, also. You will need to factor in the load on the engine. 3. Fit a Murphy or similar gauge. Alaska Diesel will not honor the warranty on any engine equipped with Murphy or similar gauges as they require connections to the oil pan which, if done incorrectly, might fracture from vibration at certain speeds. But this is simply a hedge against warranty claims which were not ADs fault, and you will find many commercial vessels which use them. My point is, its important to have confidence in all aspects of your vessel, and I think many people forget this. It is not enough to have a "bluewater-capable" boat, as you do, because that capability reaches far deeper than having a comfortable, heavy hull with high railings and a Portuguese bridge. If you are worried that your starter might not operate, why not have it checked before you leave? If you are concerned that your get-home engine won't get you home, install a bigger one. If you are one of those people who is a victim of the FUD created by the purveyors of fuel "polishing" equipment and the need for "pre-lubers," go ahead and get one. If you are rolling in cash, buy a spare starter. But, please, don't risk wiping the bearings of a $30,000 engine because you are afraid it won't restart. If you assure yourself prior to passage that all systems are OK, its highly unlikely that you'll have a problem while on passage. Regards, John "Seahorse" New Bern, NC Milt Baker wrote: --Oil changes, I was careful not to say that my approach of not shutting down is not the only approach valid on this. Still, I noted that most of you who weighed in tend to agree with me: shutting down the main engine in mid-ocean on a passagemaking power boat to check oil is usually not a terrific idea. Perhaps Bob Austin's vote of dissent comes from the fact that he usually had sails as a primary means of propulsion and his mechanical skills are no doubt far better then mine! There's a lot to be said for: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. --Oil changes, take 2. Brue Kessler's approach is to have a Mourphy gauge which shows oil level at all times, and that would seem to make a lot of sense. I've heard that Alaska Diesel doesn't like that, however, because it adds additional complexity--more to go wrong. Any thoughts? --VHF range and booster amps. I was surely surprised to hear Bermuda Radio 190 miles out and all the more surprised when they responded to my call at about 180 miles. My electronics guy did not want to install the 130-watt booser amp because 25 watts is the limit in U.S. waters, but we could not find any rule which prohibited having a booster amplifier as long as it's not used in U.S. waters. The booster is on a separate breaker and when the breaker is off, the radio transmits its usual 1 (low) and 25 (high) watt power. I like the idea of being able to boom out a VHF signal when/if we really need to--and I admit that this time around we did it only to test it out. --On speed and mileage. Jim Leishman weighed in suggesting that perhaps our 9 sq. ft. Naiad fins were out of alignment. That sounded like a smoking gun to me, so I got instructions for measuring alignment from Naiad and took a dip in the 76-degree water here a couple of days ago. Sure enough, it appears the port fin is out about 5.5 inches and the starboard fin about half that. No doubt dragging that much fin through the water sideways costing us both speed and fuel, and we'll try to have the fins realigned shortly after reaching New England. I'm trying to compile a real world database on N47 RPMs, speeds and fuel burn, and I'd welcome any input anyone might have. Peter if you have fuel data on the five N47 deliveries you did I'd love to have 'em offline: miltbaker@mindspring.com Bluewater is still about two inches overpitched on the prop (34x32 instead of the design 34x30) which is less than ideal and which we will deal with as soon as we can. Dean Wiley, our fist-rate crewmember on that leg, suggests that the prop pitch is perhaps more a problem than the fin misalignment. I don't know which is more of a problem. Weather permitting, we expect leave for Newport in a little over a week. --Milt Baker, N4732 Bluewater, RBYC, Hamilton, Bermuda
PP
Peter Pisciotta
Wed, May 31, 2006 1:54 PM

I must beg to differ with your touting the "if it
ain't broke,  don't fix
it," philosophy.

While I understand the difference of opinion, I
understood Milt's comment to be a turn of phrase, not
unwavering guidance. Everyone who ventures offshore
has to make up their own mind how to handle offshore
maintenance, and it will indeed depend upon their
knowledge, comfort, and equipment.

But there's rarely a clear answer: Let's say you have
a new Lugger that you've put 1000 offshore hours on
and you know it hasn't burned any oil to speak of. You
embark on a 750 mile trip (say, to Bermuda). If your
normal maintenance is to shut down every 100 hours,
are you really going to shut down 50 miles from port?
Sounds like an appropriate time to say "if it ain't
broke...."

Having delivered several new yachts with mildly
abrasive break-in oil in the engine that should be
changed at 100 hours, I have not only shut-down mid
ocean, but changed the oil too. All I can say is I
always held my breath a little on restart - those
"what-if" gremlins would haunt me until the engine
fired.

For me, everything offshore is a lot different than
inshore waters. If I can stretch the need for a shut
down, I will. If it requires an early oil change
before departure so I don't have to do it mid-ocean, I
will. I'm not a fanatic and will shut down if it makes
sense, but I prefer not to if possible. To that
extent, I'm with Milt: "if it ain't broke...."

Peter
www.SeaSkills.com

=======================
Peter Pisciotta
415-902-8439

> I must beg to differ with your touting the "if it > ain't broke, don't fix > it," philosophy. While I understand the difference of opinion, I understood Milt's comment to be a turn of phrase, not unwavering guidance. Everyone who ventures offshore has to make up their own mind how to handle offshore maintenance, and it will indeed depend upon their knowledge, comfort, and equipment. But there's rarely a clear answer: Let's say you have a new Lugger that you've put 1000 offshore hours on and you know it hasn't burned any oil to speak of. You embark on a 750 mile trip (say, to Bermuda). If your normal maintenance is to shut down every 100 hours, are you really going to shut down 50 miles from port? Sounds like an appropriate time to say "if it ain't broke...." Having delivered several new yachts with mildly abrasive break-in oil in the engine that should be changed at 100 hours, I have not only shut-down mid ocean, but changed the oil too. All I can say is I always held my breath a little on restart - those "what-if" gremlins would haunt me until the engine fired. For me, everything offshore is a lot different than inshore waters. If I can stretch the need for a shut down, I will. If it requires an early oil change before departure so I don't have to do it mid-ocean, I will. I'm not a fanatic and will shut down if it makes sense, but I prefer not to if possible. To that extent, I'm with Milt: "if it ain't broke...." Peter www.SeaSkills.com ======================= Peter Pisciotta 415-902-8439