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Chris Rapson
Tue, Dec 27, 2005 9:30 PM

I'd like to add some comments to the discussion on amateur boat buiding that has taken place over the last few weeks as some of the discussion may not fully present the advantages and disadvantages of amateur boatbuilding.
I am writing this as the builder of two yachts, a 32' Hartley Ferro and a 21.5' Van der Stadt plywood.
These boats were built when I was time rich and cash poor, and I think that that would be the position of most amateur builders.
While the boats did not present as well as moulded fibreglass products they were both built following the designers plans and with the designers advice.
The point that I am comming to is that both boats gave me a great deal of pleasure, sailing in the area near where I built them. Buying a commercial product was not an option.
The building and sailing also kept me, as a young man, out of a great deal of trouble, and gave me skills that have served me well over more years than I care to admit.
Now as I look at having another boat I am planning to build another.
The advantages of building my own:

  1. Much cheaper. While the resale value of an amateur boat is not much more than the cost of the materials, to consider this the only measure presents an incorrect picture. Other savings include:
    a.Not having large amount of capital tied up or borrowed.
    b.No depreciation.
    c.Very low maintenance costs. (If I built or installed it then I can fix or replace it)
    d.Lower operating costs.
    e.The ability to pay for the building out of current income.
  2. A boat that is built for the conditions that it will encounter, and for the people who will live on it, rather than an adapted commercial product. This is a major advantage. When I looked at buying a boat most of the ones I saw would have required major changes to make them suitable for cruising. In many cases the changes would have been as expensive and time consuming as building my own boat.
  3. A boat made of new materials and with equipment that is either new or in excellent condition.
    My one problem is that the building of a large boat is so time consuming that it will have to be done in an environment with low labour costs.
    Having said that I will admit that there is nothing I would like more than to step onto a well made boat, pay the money and sail off. I just can't afford it.

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I'd like to add some comments to the discussion on amateur boat buiding that has taken place over the last few weeks as some of the discussion may not fully present the advantages and disadvantages of amateur boatbuilding. I am writing this as the builder of two yachts, a 32' Hartley Ferro and a 21.5' Van der Stadt plywood. These boats were built when I was time rich and cash poor, and I think that that would be the position of most amateur builders. While the boats did not present as well as moulded fibreglass products they were both built following the designers plans and with the designers advice. The point that I am comming to is that both boats gave me a great deal of pleasure, sailing in the area near where I built them. Buying a commercial product was not an option. The building and sailing also kept me, as a young man, out of a great deal of trouble, and gave me skills that have served me well over more years than I care to admit. Now as I look at having another boat I am planning to build another. The advantages of building my own: 1. Much cheaper. While the resale value of an amateur boat is not much more than the cost of the materials, to consider this the only measure presents an incorrect picture. Other savings include: a.Not having large amount of capital tied up or borrowed. b.No depreciation. c.Very low maintenance costs. (If I built or installed it then I can fix or replace it) d.Lower operating costs. e.The ability to pay for the building out of current income. 2. A boat that is built for the conditions that it will encounter, and for the people who will live on it, rather than an adapted commercial product. This is a major advantage. When I looked at buying a boat most of the ones I saw would have required major changes to make them suitable for cruising. In many cases the changes would have been as expensive and time consuming as building my own boat. 3. A boat made of new materials and with equipment that is either new or in excellent condition. My one problem is that the building of a large boat is so time consuming that it will have to be done in an environment with low labour costs. Having said that I will admit that there is nothing I would like more than to step onto a well made boat, pay the money and sail off. I just can't afford it. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
MM
m m
Tue, Dec 27, 2005 11:20 PM

Chris:  I thought that your email was terrific.  Good
luck building your next boat.  Would be interested in
what you decide to build, and on occasional progress
reports, if time suits you.

All the best,

Mike Meeker
m/v Eventide
Tampa Bay

--- Chris Rapson rapson.chris@lycos.com wrote:

I'd like to add some comments to the discussion on
amateur boat buiding that has taken place over the
last few weeks as some of the discussion may not
fully present the advantages and disadvantages of
amateur boatbuilding.
I am writing this as the builder of two yachts, a
32' Hartley Ferro and a 21.5' Van der Stadt plywood.

These boats were built when I was time rich and cash
poor, and I think that that would be the position of
most amateur builders.
While the boats did not present as well as moulded
fibreglass products they were both built following
the designers plans and with the designers advice.
The point that I am comming to is that both boats
gave me a great deal of pleasure, sailing in the
area near where I built them. Buying a commercial
product was not an option.
The building and sailing also kept me, as a young
man, out of a great deal of trouble, and gave me
skills that have served me well over more years than
I care to admit.
Now as I look at having another boat I am planning
to build another.
The advantages of building my own:

  1. Much cheaper. While the resale value of an
    amateur boat is not much more than the cost of the
    materials, to consider this the only measure
    presents an incorrect picture. Other savings
    include:
    a.Not having large amount of capital tied up or
    borrowed.
    b.No depreciation.
    c.Very low maintenance costs. (If I built or
    installed it then I can fix or replace it)
    d.Lower operating costs.
    e.The ability to pay for the building out of current
    income.
  2. A boat that is built for the conditions that it
    will encounter, and for the people who will live on
    it, rather than an adapted commercial product. This
    is a major advantage. When I looked at buying a boat
    most of the ones I saw would have required major
    changes to make them suitable for cruising. In many
    cases the changes would have been as expensive and
    time consuming as building my own boat.
  3. A boat made of new materials and with equipment
    that is either new or in excellent condition.
    My one problem is that the building of a large boat
    is so time consuming that it will have to be done in
    an environment with low labour costs.
    Having said that I will admit that there is nothing
    I would like more than to step onto a well made
    boat, pay the money and sail off. I just can't
    afford it.

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Chris: I thought that your email was terrific. Good luck building your next boat. Would be interested in what you decide to build, and on occasional progress reports, if time suits you. All the best, Mike Meeker m/v Eventide Tampa Bay --- Chris Rapson <rapson.chris@lycos.com> wrote: > I'd like to add some comments to the discussion on > amateur boat buiding that has taken place over the > last few weeks as some of the discussion may not > fully present the advantages and disadvantages of > amateur boatbuilding. > I am writing this as the builder of two yachts, a > 32' Hartley Ferro and a 21.5' Van der Stadt plywood. > > These boats were built when I was time rich and cash > poor, and I think that that would be the position of > most amateur builders. > While the boats did not present as well as moulded > fibreglass products they were both built following > the designers plans and with the designers advice. > The point that I am comming to is that both boats > gave me a great deal of pleasure, sailing in the > area near where I built them. Buying a commercial > product was not an option. > The building and sailing also kept me, as a young > man, out of a great deal of trouble, and gave me > skills that have served me well over more years than > I care to admit. > Now as I look at having another boat I am planning > to build another. > The advantages of building my own: > 1. Much cheaper. While the resale value of an > amateur boat is not much more than the cost of the > materials, to consider this the only measure > presents an incorrect picture. Other savings > include: > a.Not having large amount of capital tied up or > borrowed. > b.No depreciation. > c.Very low maintenance costs. (If I built or > installed it then I can fix or replace it) > d.Lower operating costs. > e.The ability to pay for the building out of current > income. > 2. A boat that is built for the conditions that it > will encounter, and for the people who will live on > it, rather than an adapted commercial product. This > is a major advantage. When I looked at buying a boat > most of the ones I saw would have required major > changes to make them suitable for cruising. In many > cases the changes would have been as expensive and > time consuming as building my own boat. > 3. A boat made of new materials and with equipment > that is either new or in excellent condition. > My one problem is that the building of a large boat > is so time consuming that it will have to be done in > an environment with low labour costs. > Having said that I will admit that there is nothing > I would like more than to step onto a well made > boat, pay the money and sail off. I just can't > afford it. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/
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pleenhouts@aol.com
Tue, Dec 27, 2005 11:27 PM

As a retired Naval Officer and current fulltime student at the North West School of Wooden Boatbuilding in Port Hadlock WA, I also would be interested in such observations and progress reports.  I tend to agree with Chris Rapson's comments below, and have decided to act upon my long-held dreams.

Sincerely, Pete
Port Ludlow WA

-----Original Message-----
From: m m eventide50@yahoo.com
To: Passagemaking Under Power List passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:20:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PUP] Amateur Boat Building - off list

Chris:  I thought that your email was terrific.  Good
luck building your next boat.  Would be interested in
what you decide to build, and on occasional progress
reports, if time suits you.

All the best,

Mike Meeker
m/v Eventide
Tampa Bay

--- Chris Rapson rapson.chris@lycos.com wrote:

I'd like to add some comments to the discussion on
amateur boat buiding that has taken place over the
last few weeks as some of the discussion may not
fully present the advantages and disadvantages of
amateur boatbuilding.
I am writing this as the builder of two yachts, a
32' Hartley Ferro and a 21.5' Van der Stadt plywood.

These boats were built when I was time rich and cash
poor, and I think that that would be the position of
most amateur builders.
While the boats did not present as well as moulded
fibreglass products they were both built following
the designers plans and with the designers advice.
The point that I am comming to is that both boats
gave me a great deal of pleasure, sailing in the
area near where I built them. Buying a commercial
product was not an option.
The building and sailing also kept me, as a young
man, out of a great deal of trouble, and gave me
skills that have served me well over more years than
I care to admit.
Now as I look at having another boat I am planning
to build another.
The advantages of building my own:

  1. Much cheaper. While the resale value of an
    amateur boat is not much more than the cost of the
    materials, to consider this the only measure
    presents an incorrect picture. Other savings
    include:
    a.Not having large amount of capital tied up or
    borrowed.
    b.No depreciation.
    c.Very low maintenance costs. (If I built or
    installed it then I can fix or replace it)
    d.Lower operating costs.
    e.The ability to pay for the building out of current
    income.
  2. A boat that is built for the conditions that it
    will encounter, and for the people who will live on
    it, rather than an adapted commercial product. This
    is a major advantage. When I looked at buying a boat
    most of the ones I saw would have required major
    changes to make them suitable for cruising. In many
    cases the changes would have been as expensive and
    time consuming as building my own boat.
  3. A boat made of new materials and with equipment
    that is either new or in excellent condition.
    My one problem is that the building of a large boat
    is so time consuming that it will have to be done in
    an environment with low labour costs.
    Having said that I will admit that there is nothing
    I would like more than to step onto a well made
    boat, pay the money and sail off. I just can't
    afford it.

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As a retired Naval Officer and current fulltime student at the North West School of Wooden Boatbuilding in Port Hadlock WA, I also would be interested in such observations and progress reports. I tend to agree with Chris Rapson's comments below, and have decided to act upon my long-held dreams. Sincerely, Pete Port Ludlow WA -----Original Message----- From: m m <eventide50@yahoo.com> To: Passagemaking Under Power List <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:20:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PUP] Amateur Boat Building - off list Chris: I thought that your email was terrific. Good luck building your next boat. Would be interested in what you decide to build, and on occasional progress reports, if time suits you. All the best, Mike Meeker m/v Eventide Tampa Bay --- Chris Rapson <rapson.chris@lycos.com> wrote: > I'd like to add some comments to the discussion on > amateur boat buiding that has taken place over the > last few weeks as some of the discussion may not > fully present the advantages and disadvantages of > amateur boatbuilding. > I am writing this as the builder of two yachts, a > 32' Hartley Ferro and a 21.5' Van der Stadt plywood. > > These boats were built when I was time rich and cash > poor, and I think that that would be the position of > most amateur builders. > While the boats did not present as well as moulded > fibreglass products they were both built following > the designers plans and with the designers advice. > The point that I am comming to is that both boats > gave me a great deal of pleasure, sailing in the > area near where I built them. Buying a commercial > product was not an option. > The building and sailing also kept me, as a young > man, out of a great deal of trouble, and gave me > skills that have served me well over more years than > I care to admit. > Now as I look at having another boat I am planning > to build another. > The advantages of building my own: > 1. Much cheaper. While the resale value of an > amateur boat is not much more than the cost of the > materials, to consider this the only measure > presents an incorrect picture. Other savings > include: > a.Not having large amount of capital tied up or > borrowed. > b.No depreciation. > c.Very low maintenance costs. (If I built or > installed it then I can fix or replace it) > d.Lower operating costs. > e.The ability to pay for the building out of current > income. > 2. A boat that is built for the conditions that it > will encounter, and for the people who will live on > it, rather than an adapted commercial product. This > is a major advantage. When I looked at buying a boat > most of the ones I saw would have required major > changes to make them suitable for cruising. In many > cases the changes would have been as expensive and > time consuming as building my own boat. > 3. A boat made of new materials and with equipment > that is either new or in excellent condition. > My one problem is that the building of a large boat > is so time consuming that it will have to be done in > an environment with low labour costs. > Having said that I will admit that there is nothing > I would like more than to step onto a well made > boat, pay the money and sail off. I just can't > afford it. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List