On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Steven Kelly wrote:
It's great that people are willing to talk about this, and some are doing things too. Admit it though: most of this discussion is programmers talking about marketing, which is as useful as marketers talking about programming. I'm in my 20th year of Smalltalk, so I've seen this a fair few times. My 2c: I'm fairly certain that the only way Smalltalk could achieve major success is by dying and being reborn with a new name.
If anyone has a minute (and access rights!), the ESUG pages could do with some love:
- they crashed yesterday, and have often slowed to a crawl
Yes, and we restarted it within the fasted possible time.
- there's a top-level menu "Robotics" that leads to a page saying "A place for Jordi to write, ok!"
This was added at around 14h today because we want to add a new page with information.
- The search box does nothing
yes, this should be fixed. I did not yet find the energy for that.
- On IE8, there are Javascript errors. All pages have "Ajax is not defined", and many have some "idX is not defined" errors (for various X)
We should fix that... but then, you are the first to notice.
Believe it or not, those are the kinds of things that register with outsiders when they check out Smalltalk, in particular if they're considering using it to build things on the web. Of course I understand this is all done as volunteer work, and I appreciate the effort people have put into it. I'm just pointing out the facts and providing a bug report.
I personally think that the website is already far better then it used to be.
And even though it might not be apparent, it was a lot of work. Especially moving all the old
conferences into the Pier wiki... lots of work.
Marcus
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Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Steven Kelly wrote:
> It's great that people are willing to talk about this, and some are doing things too. Admit it though: most of this discussion is programmers talking about marketing, which is as useful as marketers talking about programming. I'm in my 20th year of Smalltalk, so I've seen this a fair few times. My 2c: I'm fairly certain that the only way Smalltalk could achieve major success is by dying and being reborn with a new name.
>
> If anyone has a minute (and access rights!), the ESUG pages could do with some love:
> 1) they crashed yesterday, and have often slowed to a crawl
Yes, and we restarted it within the fasted possible time.
> 2) there's a top-level menu "Robotics" that leads to a page saying "A place for Jordi to write, ok!"
This was added at around 14h today because we want to add a new page with information.
> 3) The search box does nothing
yes, this should be fixed. I did not yet find the energy for that.
> 4) On IE8, there are Javascript errors. All pages have "Ajax is not defined", and many have some "idX is not defined" errors (for various X)
>
We should fix that... but then, you are the first to notice.
> Believe it or not, those are the kinds of things that register with outsiders when they check out Smalltalk, in particular if they're considering using it to build things on the web. Of course I understand this is all done as volunteer work, and I appreciate the effort people have put into it. I'm just pointing out the facts and providing a bug report.
>
I personally think that the website is already far better then it used to be.
And even though it might not be apparent, it was a lot of work. Especially moving all the old
conferences into the Pier wiki... lots of work.
Marcus
--
Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
