But surely miniaturization doesn't stop at the scale of personal devices and control systems don't map neatly onto the scale of end-user devices. ----- Original Message ----- From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org <citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org> To: Ho Young Yoon <hoyoungemail@gmail.com> Cc: Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca>; aoir list <air-l@aoir.org>; section asa <citasa@list.citasa.org> Sent: Sat Jul 17 10:17:43 2010 Subject: Re: [CITASA] [Air-L] the cell-less future As a civilization, we often have a difficult time visualizing the miniaturization and transfer of tools from central places to the individual. One day, we will all be generating power, managing transmissions and communication, creating materials and prints, capturing and processing our own sounds and images, and running supercomputers - without leaving our personal space. Other changes will depend on larger changes in how we conceive of society -- whether we will also all be maintaining our own information policies, enforcing social and legal standards, overseeing built infrastructure and initiating repairs, serving in notary and encryption capacities, serving as independent financial bodies, and providing physical security... all in our personal vicinity. SJ _______________________________________________ CITASA mailing list CITASA@list.citasa.org http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

But the 3G data network also barely works in many cases!!!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Valdis Krebs <valdis@orgnet.com> wrote: > Andy, > > Because that is not that important anymore to most users -- including yourself [your signature line]! > > Know any teenagers? They hardly talk at all anymore. Us parents forced into SMS/Texting if we want to communicate with our children. Voice now reserved for special occasions, like when I want to tell my wife some really good news. Updates and most Questions are texted. > > Valdis Krebs > http://orgnet.com > http://thenetworkthinker.com > > > On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Andrew A. Beveridge wrote: > >> But why does my iPhone work so poorly as a telephone? >> >> Andy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Valdis Krebs <valdis@orgnet.com> wrote: >> >>> Very interesting conversation! >>> >>> Remember... >>> >>> "The technology that gives You the power to connect/communicate/organize, >>> also gives Them the power to watch." >>> >>> Valdis Krebs >>> http://orgnet.com >>> http://thenetworkthinker.com >

I remember changing from a pc to a mac. It was akin to entering a different world. Work stress decreased. There was a new, aesthetic dimension to computer relations that yielded a low grade but persistent sensual pleasure. When I was given an i-phone, my first 'smart phone,' I was seduced by the technology (email and the web in my pocket) and, again, experienced sheer pleasure in interacting with the machine. They and their ilk are mobile entertainment and communication centers -- mecs not 'phones,' with telephoning the least valued usage for many, myself included. It is not simply a case of what communicative technologies can do or purport to do, but how livable they are -- what they contribute to (and how they shape) our life experiences. Brenda Brasher On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Andrew A. Beveridge wrote: > But the 3G data network also barely works in many cases!!!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Valdis Krebs <valdis@orgnet.com> wrote: > >> Andy, >> >> Because that is not that important anymore to most users -- including yourself [your signature line]! >> >> Know any teenagers? They hardly talk at all anymore. Us parents forced into SMS/Texting if we want to communicate with our children. Voice now reserved for special occasions, like when I want to tell my wife some really good news. Updates and most Questions are texted. >> >> Valdis Krebs >> http://orgnet.com >> http://thenetworkthinker.com >> >> >> On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Andrew A. Beveridge wrote: >> >>> But why does my iPhone work so poorly as a telephone? >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Valdis Krebs <valdis@orgnet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Very interesting conversation! >>>> >>>> Remember... >>>> >>>> "The technology that gives You the power to connect/communicate/organize, >>>> also gives Them the power to watch." >>>> >>>> Valdis Krebs >>>> http://orgnet.com >>>> http://thenetworkthinker.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

Ron Scott wrote: > I love this vision, and I hope you're right, but wireless transmissions have been > foreseen, if you will - didn't Dick Tracy have wrist phones in the 1930s? I would say a number of these things have been foreseen and have already come to pass for at least some of us. If you are reading this list, you probably have at least one cell phone. [That's slightly different from a personal contact number that is your permanent property, through which I can reach you via a number of channels; we're not there yet socially.] Craig Calhoun <Calhoun@ssrc.org> wrote: > But surely miniaturization doesn't stop at the scale of personal devices and control > systems don't map neatly onto the scale of end-user devices. Right. 'Supercomputers' are much more omnipresent than simply in personal devices, and we're fiddling with mother nature; some tools and capabilities say EAT ME or DRINK ME and others are built into our bodies. A surprising number of control systems can be decomposed in such a way that an individual can serve as a self-sufficient branch of a larger system. But now we're thoroughly off-topic. I would be happy to continue this discussion on a discussion list for long-range societal planning, though I don't know of an appropriate one off-hand. SJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org <citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org> > To: Ho Young Yoon <hoyoungemail@gmail.com> > Cc: Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca>; aoir list <air-l@aoir.org>; section asa <citasa@list.citasa.org> > Sent: Sat Jul 17 10:17:43 2010 > Subject: Re: [CITASA] [Air-L]  the cell-less future > > As a civilization, we often have a difficult time visualizing the > miniaturization and transfer of tools from central places to the > individual. > > One day, we will all be generating power, managing transmissions and > communication, creating materials and prints, capturing and processing > our own sounds and images, and running supercomputers - without > leaving our personal space. > > Other changes will depend on larger changes in how we conceive of > society -- whether we will also all be maintaining our own information > policies, enforcing social and legal standards, overseeing built > infrastructure and initiating repairs, serving in notary and > encryption capacities, serving as independent financial bodies, and > providing physical security... all in our personal vicinity. > > SJ > > _______________________________________________ > CITASA mailing list > CITASA@list.citasa.org > http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org > -- Samuel Klein          identi.ca:sj           w:user:sj