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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Ref this subject I find it frustrating that those of us that have no intention of discharging overboard are required to physically disconnect the overboard hose. Depending upon the arrangements of your boat it can be a difficult and messy job.
I'd like to see a practical option adopted by the authorities. I would suggest a serial numbered seal be available to lock the overboard valve. Then a very significant fine imposed for anyone that has removed the seal. The seals could be available for purchase at the locks or could even be part of the package you get when you pay for your lock fees.
Additionally, while it is unusual for a closed thruhull to fail, I prefer always having a hose connected to them.
All the best,
Gary Hagstrom
Crackerjack a MaineCat P-47
Iron River, Wisconsin
Several years ago I heard of the requirement to disconnect your "head"
hose from any overboard thru hull fitting. At that time we were on the
Triangle Loop. I did not remove my hose from the thru hull. I did
close the valve and remove the the handle. We were never boarded or
inspected. Planning to do that trip again I researched methods to
remove the hose with as little muss and fuss as possible. I found a
device advertised in a boating magazine called a "Turn-Couple". It
consisted of high quality plastic fittings with one having a right hand
thread and another having a left hand thread with a coupling with
matching threads. The coupling is safety wired so it will not come
undone accidentally. I did purchase additional fittings to seal off the
ends when the coupling is removed. It DOES NOT LEAK.
I have no financial connection with this company. Just a satisfied user.
Paul Weakley
Paul: thanks for the update on TurnCouple. I was familar with it
and won the "coupling piece only" at a MTOA Rendezvous.
I sent them an email and inquired about some thread "caps" to cap off
the ends of the threaded portions which I did not see on their Website.
Possibly the PVC threaded caps at Home Deport will work, will wait
to hear back from Turncouple.
If I put their product in line with my sanitation hose from the Holding
tank to the Macerator pump, I want to be able to Cap off the ends
Capt Bob Kovach
KJ4UGE MMSI: 367482710 (HF-SSB & VHF)
Onboard M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB Lying Cocoa, FL
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969, WRCC, USCG-ARC, USPS-ARC
USPS SQUADRON, CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com
From: Paul Weakley pwseapa45@gmail.com
To: Gary Hagstrom ghagstrom@yahoo.com
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: GL: MSD Overboard Hose disconnect
Several years ago I heard of the requirement to disconnect your "head" hose from any overboard thru hull fitting. At that time we were on the Triangle Loop. I did not remove my hose from the thru hull. I did close the valve and remove the the handle. We were never boarded or inspected. Planning to do that trip again I researched methods to remove the hose with as little muss and fuss as possible. I found a device advertised in a boating magazine called a "Turn-Couple". It consisted of high quality plastic fittings with one having a right hand thread and another having a left hand thread with a coupling with matching threads. The coupling is safety wired so it will not come undone accidentally. I did purchase additional fittings to seal off the ends when the coupling is removed. It DOES NOT LEAK.
I have no financial connection with this company. Just a satisfied user.
Paul Weakley
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Now this is the most common sense suggestion I can every remember.
Great Idea!. Plus the authorities would have a source of income (smile)
Maybe even give you a sticker for your window to indicate your
boat has a seal. How about sending the proper authorities a letter
and see if they will adopt this "common sense solution"
Capt Bob Kovach
KJ4UGE MMSI: 367482710 (HF-SSB & VHF)
Onboard M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB Lying Cocoa, FL
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969, WRCC, USCG-ARC, USPS-ARC
USPS SQUADRON, CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com
From: Gary Hagstrom ghagstrom@yahoo.com
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:29 AM
Subject: GL: MSD Overboard Hose disconnect
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Ref this subject I find it frustrating that those of us that have no intention of discharging overboard are required to physically disconnect the overboard hose. Depending upon the arrangements of your boat it can be a difficult and messy job.
I'd like to see a practical option adopted by the authorities. I would suggest a serial numbered seal be available to lock the overboard valve. Then a very significant fine imposed for anyone that has removed the seal. The seals could be available for purchase at the locks or could even be part of the package you get when you pay for your lock fees.
Additionally, while it is unusual for a closed thruhull to fail, I prefer always having a hose connected to them.
All the best,
Gary Hagstrom
Crackerjack a MaineCat P-47
Iron River, Wisconsin
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Gary,
I must be missing something. You state that ALL boaters on the Loop have NO intention of discharging overboard so they should not have to comply with disabling their overboard discharge system - only tie off the valve with a special seal (you would need one for every jurisdiction, be it a state, provence, etc. right?).
If you never discharge overboard, what is the big deal with taking out the overboard discharge plumbing and fiberglassing the overboard port?
When I purchased my boat for the Loop, it had a poorly functioning LectraSan, so I had it and all its plumbing removed and the port fiberglassed and gel coated -- end of problem.
BTW, only once did I have a bit of a problem finding a convenient pump our station in more than 6,700 miles. Also, in most jurisdictions, as long as you have the "Y" valve removed or Locked, there is no problem. Lake Champlain is the only place that requires a foot of hose to be removed. Check out Skipper Bob's book for a fast, easy, and non messy solution to your problem.
John
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Gary Hagstrom wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Ref this subject I find it frustrating that those of us that have no intention of discharging overboard are required to physically disconnect the overboard hose. Depending upon the arrangements of your boat it can be a difficult and messy job.
I'd like to see a practical option adopted by the authorities. I would suggest a serial numbered seal be available to lock the overboard valve. Then a very significant fine imposed for anyone that has removed the seal. The seals could be available for purchase at the locks or could even be part of the package you get when you pay for your lock fees.
Additionally, while it is unusual for a closed thruhull to fail, I prefer always having a hose connected to them.
All the best,
Gary Hagstrom
Crackerjack a MaineCat P-47
Iron River, Wisconsin
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Capt. Bob,
I replied off list to Gary, but my point is that while this is an issue of the "a boater's right to pollute" versus "keeping our waterways clean and safe", it is also an issue of "States Rights" who pass their own environmental laws and the enforcement of same. Therefore, a Looper would have to purchase and install a serial numbered seal for each state and provence they cruised through. In my case it would have amounted to 14 U.S. States and two Canadian provinces. Then, who would verify installation and/or issue fines and collection of penalties.
Since most of the Inland Waters are now designated No Discharge Zones and Loopers claim that they have no intention of Ever discharging black water overboard, why not just disconnect the overboard discharge system, fiberglass and gel coat the hull, and use their holding tanks.
Could it be that those objecting to limitations on overboard discharging can't afford to pay for a pump out, which is less costly in most cases than a bottle of wine?
In more than 6,700 miles on the Loop, we only had one situation where we had trouble finding a convenient pump out station and had to travel a few extra miles for a pump out.
John
P.S. Bill, enough is enough???
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 12:04 PM, MY ALLEZ wrote:
Now this is the most common sense suggestion I can every remember.
Great Idea!. Plus the authorities would have a source of income (smile)
Maybe even give you a sticker for your window to indicate your
boat has a seal. How about sending the proper authorities a letter
and see if they will adopt this "common sense solution"
Capt Bob Kovach
KJ4UGE MMSI: 367482710 (HF-SSB & VHF)
Onboard M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB Lying Cocoa, FL
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969, WRCC, USCG-ARC, USPS-ARC
USPS SQUADRON, CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com
From: Gary Hagstrom ghagstrom@yahoo.com
To: "great-loop@lists.trawlering.com" great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:29 AM
Subject: GL: MSD Overboard Hose disconnect
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Ref this subject I find it frustrating that those of us that have no intention of discharging overboard are required to physically disconnect the overboard hose. Depending upon the arrangements of your boat it can be a difficult and messy job.
I'd like to see a practical option adopted by the authorities. I would suggest a serial numbered seal be available to lock the overboard valve. Then a very significant fine imposed for anyone that has removed the seal. The seals could be available for purchase at the locks or could even be part of the package you get when you pay for your lock fees.
Additionally, while it is unusual for a closed thruhull to fail, I prefer always having a hose connected to them.
All the best,
Gary Hagstrom
Crackerjack a MaineCat P-47
Iron River, Wisconsin
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