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Big Anchors Better?

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DonDodds@aol.com
Wed, Dec 9, 1998 7:52 AM

Paul

I agree with much that you wrote.

but I believe his (Pardey) investigation was seriously lacking in that he

failed to determine why that was.<

I though his investigation lacked objectivity in many areas.

Secondly, you can anchor for a long time with too little anchor and get away

with it. <

Yes, but when it fails it many not necessarily be because it was to small.  I
am sure you will agree that Poor procedure, wrong anchor for the bottom, lack
of elasticity in the rode, too short of scope, could all cause failure of an
adequately size anchor.  I am just trying to restore some balance here.

I do not know your boat and your anchoring system;<

Briefly., I carry five anchors of three different kinds.  I test the bottom
material strength, listen to the weather report and select the anchor or
anchors best suited for the occasion, set the anchor at maximum scope and
maximum throttle.  Please remember this is a brief description.  I have drug
an anchor or two here and there, but have yet to come to real grief.  But I
know that anchor loads are over estimated and bottom strength information is
almost non existent.  The problem of anchor failure lies with three factors,
bottom material strength, dynamic loads, and poor procedure.

One of the points that I tried to make, however; is that once you end up with

an anchor that must be handled with a powered winching system, it makes no
sense at all to maintain this philosophy.  <

This makes some sense, however, I am not sure there exist one anchor for all
seasons.  All though I know that considerable work as been done in search of
this anchor.  There will always be a bottom somewhere, which will require
changing the large heavy anchor.  This seebe a personal choice.

The only justification for using more than one anchor in a storm is to limit

swing, and even then each anchor in the system must be able to hold the entire
load by itself.<

It is certainly a major justification, but I wouldn't go so far as to say the
only justification.

One even had four boats tied to him, all on a single anchor.  They also

survived well.  <

One conclusion that could be drawn form this is that the single boat had an
anchor that was obviously four times larger Than he needed.

I've often wondered why all those trawlers in the Barge Canal put their

bows against the shore.  <

This is indeed an interesting practice, I would also be interested in the
reason.  I would wonder about storm surge and waves in this situation.

I have already shared much in the past few weeks and maybe it would be better
if we got together off line, if you are interested.  I value your opinion.

Don Dodds
North Pacific Research

Paul I agree with much that you wrote. >but I believe his (Pardey) investigation was seriously lacking in that he failed to determine why that was.< I though his investigation lacked objectivity in many areas. >Secondly, you can anchor for a long time with too little anchor and get away with it. < Yes, but when it fails it many not necessarily be because it was to small. I am sure you will agree that Poor procedure, wrong anchor for the bottom, lack of elasticity in the rode, too short of scope, could all cause failure of an adequately size anchor. I am just trying to restore some balance here. >I do not know your boat and your anchoring system;< Briefly., I carry five anchors of three different kinds. I test the bottom material strength, listen to the weather report and select the anchor or anchors best suited for the occasion, set the anchor at maximum scope and maximum throttle. Please remember this is a brief description. I have drug an anchor or two here and there, but have yet to come to real grief. But I know that anchor loads are over estimated and bottom strength information is almost non existent. The problem of anchor failure lies with three factors, bottom material strength, dynamic loads, and poor procedure. >One of the points that I tried to make, however; is that once you end up with an anchor that must be handled with a powered winching system, it makes no sense at all to maintain this philosophy. < This makes some sense, however, I am not sure there exist one anchor for all seasons. All though I know that considerable work as been done in search of this anchor. There will always be a bottom somewhere, which will require changing the large heavy anchor. This seebe a personal choice. >The only justification for using more than one anchor in a storm is to limit swing, and even then each anchor in the system must be able to hold the entire load by itself.< It is certainly a major justification, but I wouldn't go so far as to say the only justification. >One even had four boats tied to him, all on a single anchor. They also survived well. < One conclusion that could be drawn form this is that the single boat had an anchor that was obviously four times larger Than he needed. >I've often wondered why all those trawlers in the Barge Canal put their bows against the shore. < This is indeed an interesting practice, I would also be interested in the reason. I would wonder about storm surge and waves in this situation. I have already shared much in the past few weeks and maybe it would be better if we got together off line, if you are interested. I value your opinion. Don Dodds North Pacific Research
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rebeccad@usit.net
Wed, Dec 9, 1998 2:28 PM

Don and Paul,

This is a subject VERY near to my heart right now as I don't think I have the
proper ground tackle, either due to size or design.  Please keep me in this loop!
I am limited in the size of anchor I can handle but have pretty non-demanding
anchoring needs.  I'm learning a lot here, don't set me adrift!  :)  (ouch, that
was bad)

Rebecca

DonDodds@aol.com wrote:

Paul (Kruse)

I agree with much that you wrote.

(discussion snipped)

I have already shared much in the past few weeks and maybe it would be better
if we got together off line, if you are interested.  I value your opinion.

Don Dodds
North Pacific Research

Don and Paul, This is a subject VERY near to my heart right now as I don't think I have the proper ground tackle, either due to size or design. Please keep me in this loop! I am limited in the size of anchor I can handle but have pretty non-demanding anchoring needs. I'm learning a lot here, don't set me adrift! :) (ouch, that was bad) Rebecca DonDodds@aol.com wrote: > Paul (Kruse) > > I agree with much that you wrote. > (discussion snipped) > I have already shared much in the past few weeks and maybe it would be better > if we got together off line, if you are interested. I value your opinion. > > Don Dodds > North Pacific Research
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pgslo@juno.com
Wed, Dec 9, 1998 6:20 PM

On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:52:49 EST DonDodds@aol.com writes:

I have already shared much in the past few weeks and maybe it would be
better
if we got together off line,

Don't you DARE take this discussion off line !  I still haven't been
convinced one way or the other.  I would just suggest that we keep the
subject line consistent, "Big Anchors Better?" so that if anyone is not
interested, they can simply hit the delete button.

tempus fugit
Patrick


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On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:52:49 EST DonDodds@aol.com writes: >I have already shared much in the past few weeks and maybe it would be >better >if we got together off line, Don't you DARE take this discussion off line ! I still haven't been convinced one way or the other. I would just suggest that we keep the subject line consistent, "Big Anchors Better?" so that if anyone is not interested, they can simply hit the delete button. tempus fugit Patrick ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]