Cruising America's Great Loop and other inland routes
View all threadsAgain this gets back to my point of cruisers differntiating themselves from
stationary liveaboards.
I may paint stationary liveaboards with a broad brush and while there are
exceptions, the truth is they tend to be scruffier. I'm sorry, but I've seen
enough cruisers and liveaboards that you won't convince my otherwise. More
importantly, those trying to shoo us away usually just want the scruffy ones
gone and if they don't understand the difference will push us cruisers away at
the same time.
As far as taxes go:
Last I checked in Michigan, the bulk of property taxes went to the school
systems. Most cruisers don't send thier kids, if they have any, to the local
school. Assuming they have kids, permanently stationed liveaboards probably do
utilize the school system. I would argue that cruisers typically have much
lower (but some still) usage rates for police, fire, community centers, etc,
as cruisers tend to be a more self sufficent group.
Residential property is taxed at a drastically lower tax rate than commercial
property in Michigan. Also an acre of commercial marina property is likely to
be valued much higher than an acre of equivilent residential property. So the
end property tax paid by boaters is not so simple to calculate. The fact that
it is paid as part of the slip fees is irrelevant. The boater still paid the
tax.
The other flaw in your math is the "fuzzy math" of induced jobs and taxes. You
can debate how much impact there is, but if cruisers support shopping centers,
restaurants, attractions, those buisnesses create jobs and pay taxes. As the
buisnesses prosper, they drive up property values and the taxes they
generate. The people who work those jobs hopefully buy houses and pay property
taxes. All of these costs wind up back into the cost of goods and services. So
simply stating that you don't pay as much direct tax as household residents is
not accurate.
So let's look at your $180,000 example. With our typically lower use of
services, if the tax system is fair, we should pay less taxes. A seat of my
pants estimate is cruisers utilize maybe 25% of the services typical residents
use. That translates to around $45,000 which corresponds pretty well with our
annual budget (some cruisers will be lower, but many will be higher). Take
into account many cruisers anchor out in rural areas for a percentage of time
and then use time in urban areas to provision and have repairs done, the per
day taxes paid may be substantially higher.
As I have stated before, no community is obligated to provide cruisers with
free dockage, but it would be wise on thier part to assess the real costs of
eliminating it as cruisers have the unusual ability to simply move on to an
area where they are made to feel welcome.
Mike & Tammy
Valhalla II
Snip:
Taxation avoidance is a hot issue and is not confined to the boating
community. Similar issues have been raised about RVers and other
temporary mobile residents. As a former elected official of a waterside
community and a long time member of a local school board, I can assure
members of this list that the taxes paid by boaters as part of their
marina dockage fees are but a tiny fraction of the costs absorbed by
the community by their presence. In most areas in the USA costs
associated with local schools, local roads, garbage collection, police
and fire protection, ambulance services, the public library, etc. are
largely paid for by local property taxes and a fraction of sales taxes
and local use taxes (if any). Property taxes are assessed primarily on
real property, land, houses, and other structures that cannot be moved.
In most venues, a boat is not considered real property. True, the
marina owner pays property and school taxes, but only on the value of
the property that he owns, not on the value of the boats in his slips.
A house valued at $300,000 in my community would be charged about
$10,000 a year in local property and school taxes. If you live on a
boat, either anchored in our lovely harbor or in a slip at a marina,
you pay none of these taxes directly. If you buy your food and services
in our town, shop at the stores and eat out frequently, you would have
to be charged sales taxes on $180,000 of spending per year to make up
the difference. Federal taxes, most state taxes, and license fees do
nothing to relieve the burden on local taxpayers.
No wonder shore side communities look askance at liveaboard boaters. We
like to be hospitable to visitors but we expect "residents" to pay
their fair share. Think of that the next time you expect the fire
department to put out a fire on a nearby dock or the police to chase
away would be burglars.