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Tilt effect on Keithley 2000

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Andreas_-_Jahn
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 11:25 PM

Hello,

I am playing around with some reference voltages and found out that my LM399
references have 20-30 uV change in output voltage depending on the
orientation of the reference.

So when calibrating my voltage references with a Keithley 2000
I found out that the reading changes on the Keithley too
depending of the orientation of the instrument.

For example a 5 V reference is showing 4.99998 V with Keithley flat on the
table.
On the right edge of the instrument the reading is 4.99991 V
On the left edge I get 5.00004 V.
All in all the difference is 130 uV or 26 ppm!!
A second Keithley shows similar effect with 120uV difference.

Has anyone observed similar effect on other precision instruments
like Solartron, Agilent or Flukes.
Is this effect restricted to LM399-based instruments like the Keitley 2000
or are other references like LTZ1000 affected too?

best regards

Andreas

Hello, I am playing around with some reference voltages and found out that my LM399 references have 20-30 uV change in output voltage depending on the orientation of the reference. So when calibrating my voltage references with a Keithley 2000 I found out that the reading changes on the Keithley too depending of the orientation of the instrument. For example a 5 V reference is showing 4.99998 V with Keithley flat on the table. On the right edge of the instrument the reading is 4.99991 V On the left edge I get 5.00004 V. All in all the difference is 130 uV or 26 ppm!! A second Keithley shows similar effect with 120uV difference. Has anyone observed similar effect on other precision instruments like Solartron, Agilent or Flukes. Is this effect restricted to LM399-based instruments like the Keitley 2000 or are other references like LTZ1000 affected too? best regards Andreas
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Charles P. Steinmetz
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 3:54 AM

Andreas wrote:

I am playing around with some reference voltages and found out that my LM399
references have 20-30 uV change in output voltage depending on the
orientation of the reference.

So when calibrating my voltage references with a Keithley 2000
I found out that the reading changes on the Keithley too
depending of the orientation of the instrument.

What is the time constant?  Slowish (i.e., could be thermal) or rapid
(presumably gravitational/mechanical stress)?

I have operated Fluke 732As and 5440Bs in various orientations and
have not noticed any changes.  With the 732s I was specifically
looking for changes with orientation, and didn't see any to the limit
of my methods (around 0.1 ppm).  With the 5440B I wasn't specifically
looking for an orientation effect, but I think I'd certainly have
noticed 1 ppm.  Of course, neither instrument uses an LM399 or LTZ1000.

Best regards,

Charles

Andreas wrote: >I am playing around with some reference voltages and found out that my LM399 >references have 20-30 uV change in output voltage depending on the >orientation of the reference. > >So when calibrating my voltage references with a Keithley 2000 >I found out that the reading changes on the Keithley too >depending of the orientation of the instrument. What is the time constant? Slowish (i.e., could be thermal) or rapid (presumably gravitational/mechanical stress)? I have operated Fluke 732As and 5440Bs in various orientations and have not noticed any changes. With the 732s I was specifically looking for changes with orientation, and didn't see any to the limit of my methods (around 0.1 ppm). With the 5440B I wasn't specifically looking for an orientation effect, but I think I'd certainly have noticed 1 ppm. Of course, neither instrument uses an LM399 or LTZ1000. Best regards, Charles