Trawlercat Marine versus Pacific Expedition Yachts

GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:00 PM

All hands--

Power Catamaran List is not the forum for warfare between competing
designers or builders. No more posts in this thread or on this subject
will be permitted. In the interest of fairness, I will allow John Shaw
and Patrick Meyer and anyone else named by Graham Pfister to post one
message each in response to what Graham Pfister has posted. Then this
subject will be shut down.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatworld.com

All hands-- Power Catamaran List is not the forum for warfare between competing designers or builders. No more posts in this thread or on this subject will be permitted. In the interest of fairness, I will allow John Shaw and Patrick Meyer and anyone else named by Graham Pfister to post one message each in response to what Graham Pfister has posted. Then this subject will be shut down. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatworld.com
LD
Leveston, Dr. Steven
Fri, Jan 29, 2010 3:08 PM

Georgs,

After selling my monohull, I have been studying power
catamarans for
almost 5 years.  I read numerous magazines, attend boat shows
and
seminars, and speak with other power catamaran owners and manufacturers.
The information that you and your colleagues teach us neophytes about
the
technical aspects of powercats is invaluable.

The recent discourse
by and about builders is critical information
needed to assist our
decision-making process in the selection of a new
catamaran.  As you have
taught me through your site, this impacts i)
construction,(ii) cost, (iii)
length of build, (iv)warrantee protection,
as well as other related matters.
I recognize your concerns and the reason(s) for your decision, but I do
think
that as prospective powercat owners, we need all of the
information
available.  Perhaps, a "sister site" could be considered to
harbor commercial
and business matters pertaining to powercats.  Both
negative and positive
feedback, give the reader a balanced overview.

Thanks for listening.
This open format is outstanding!

Steve Leveston

Former
Monohull owner

SeaCure (47'Jersey)

Future Powercat Owner
-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs
Kolesnikovs
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:01 AM
To:
power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] Trawlercat Marine versus
Pacific Expedition Yachts

All hands--

Power Catamaran List is
not the forum for warfare between competing

designers or builders. No
more posts in this thread or on this subject

will be permitted. In the
interest of fairness, I will allow John Shaw

and Patrick Meyer and anyone
else named by Graham Pfister to post one

message each in response to what
Graham Pfister has posted. Then this

subject will be shut down.
--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs

Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatworld.com


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Georgs, After selling my monohull, I have been studying power catamarans for almost 5 years. I read numerous magazines, attend boat shows and seminars, and speak with other power catamaran owners and manufacturers. The information that you and your colleagues teach us neophytes about the technical aspects of powercats is invaluable. The recent discourse by and about builders is critical information needed to assist our decision-making process in the selection of a new catamaran. As you have taught me through your site, this impacts i) construction,(ii) cost, (iii) length of build, (iv)warrantee protection, as well as other related matters. I recognize your concerns and the reason(s) for your decision, but I do think that as prospective powercat owners, we need all of the information available. Perhaps, a "sister site" could be considered to harbor commercial and business matters pertaining to powercats. Both negative and positive feedback, give the reader a balanced overview. Thanks for listening. This open format is outstanding! Steve Leveston Former Monohull owner SeaCure (47'Jersey) Future Powercat Owner -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs Kolesnikovs Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:01 AM To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PCW] Trawlercat Marine versus Pacific Expedition Yachts All hands-- Power Catamaran List is not the forum for warfare between competing designers or builders. No more posts in this thread or on this subject will be permitted. In the interest of fairness, I will allow John Shaw and Patrick Meyer and anyone else named by Graham Pfister to post one message each in response to what Graham Pfister has posted. Then this subject will be shut down. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatworld.com _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List ----------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that we do not consent to any reading, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the transmitted information.
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TRADESURE
Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:03 PM

To Dr Steve Leveston.

                 I sincerely believe and recommend that all prospective

buers start dialogue, once they
are interested in a design on offer, directly with the naval architect.
There might be discussions on certain changes and so forth and when finally
the prospective buyer
is ready to purchase and move forward, many issues are solved which makes
the builders program more efficient.

The designer would or could also vouch for the builder or even make
alternative suggestions, at least the client is happy
with the design and the all functions required of his dream vessel.

As per a previous blog on the downfall of builders, deposits, insurance etc,
we at Aventure Power Catamaran, also ask
for stage payments.

These stage payments are only invoiced after each stage is completed, a
practice administered in quite a few shipyards in Europe, alternatively by
Letter of Credit.

The vessel is surveyed on the completion of each stage and signed off as per
CE rules.
The vessel is insured right from start and the certificate is in the favor
of client, safe guarding
the client and his investment, not only in the case of bankruptcy, but from
a disaster, in the case with boat builders,
the main hazard, natural disasters.

There are only a handful of dedicated Power catamaran Builders that have
been in business for more than 10 years,
And therefore the progression of Power Catamarans is still quite new and the
need for greater attention
when signing the order.

Tim Jordaan

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Leveston,
Dr. Steven
Sent: 29 January 2010 16:09
To: Power Catamaran List
Subject: Re: [PCW] Trawlercat Marine versus Pacific Expedition Yachts

Georgs,

After selling my monohull, I have been studying power
catamarans for
almost 5 years.  I read numerous magazines, attend boat shows
and
seminars, and speak with other power catamaran owners and manufacturers.
The information that you and your colleagues teach us neophytes about
the
technical aspects of powercats is invaluable.

The recent discourse
by and about builders is critical information
needed to assist our
decision-making process in the selection of a new
catamaran.  As you have
taught me through your site, this impacts i)
construction,(ii) cost, (iii)
length of build, (iv)warrantee protection,
as well as other related matters.
I recognize your concerns and the reason(s) for your decision, but I do
think
that as prospective powercat owners, we need all of the
information
available.  Perhaps, a "sister site" could be considered to
harbor commercial
and business matters pertaining to powercats.  Both
negative and positive
feedback, give the reader a balanced overview.

Thanks for listening.
This open format is outstanding!

Steve Leveston

Former
Monohull owner

SeaCure (47'Jersey)

Future Powercat Owner
-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs
Kolesnikovs
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:01 AM
To:
power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] Trawlercat Marine versus
Pacific Expedition Yachts

All hands--

Power Catamaran List is
not the forum for warfare between competing

designers or builders. No
more posts in this thread or on this subject

will be permitted. In the
interest of fairness, I will allow John Shaw

and Patrick Meyer and anyone
else named by Graham Pfister to post one

message each in response to what
Graham Pfister has posted. Then this

subject will be shut down.
--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs

Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatworld.com


Power-Catamaran Mailing
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To Dr Steve Leveston. I sincerely believe and recommend that all prospective buers start dialogue, once they are interested in a design on offer, directly with the naval architect. There might be discussions on certain changes and so forth and when finally the prospective buyer is ready to purchase and move forward, many issues are solved which makes the builders program more efficient. The designer would or could also vouch for the builder or even make alternative suggestions, at least the client is happy with the design and the all functions required of his dream vessel. As per a previous blog on the downfall of builders, deposits, insurance etc, we at Aventure Power Catamaran, also ask for stage payments. These stage payments are only invoiced after each stage is completed, a practice administered in quite a few shipyards in Europe, alternatively by Letter of Credit. The vessel is surveyed on the completion of each stage and signed off as per CE rules. The vessel is insured right from start and the certificate is in the favor of client, safe guarding the client and his investment, not only in the case of bankruptcy, but from a disaster, in the case with boat builders, the main hazard, natural disasters. There are only a handful of dedicated Power catamaran Builders that have been in business for more than 10 years, And therefore the progression of Power Catamarans is still quite new and the need for greater attention when signing the order. Tim Jordaan -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Leveston, Dr. Steven Sent: 29 January 2010 16:09 To: Power Catamaran List Subject: Re: [PCW] Trawlercat Marine versus Pacific Expedition Yachts Georgs, After selling my monohull, I have been studying power catamarans for almost 5 years. I read numerous magazines, attend boat shows and seminars, and speak with other power catamaran owners and manufacturers. The information that you and your colleagues teach us neophytes about the technical aspects of powercats is invaluable. The recent discourse by and about builders is critical information needed to assist our decision-making process in the selection of a new catamaran. As you have taught me through your site, this impacts i) construction,(ii) cost, (iii) length of build, (iv)warrantee protection, as well as other related matters. I recognize your concerns and the reason(s) for your decision, but I do think that as prospective powercat owners, we need all of the information available. Perhaps, a "sister site" could be considered to harbor commercial and business matters pertaining to powercats. Both negative and positive feedback, give the reader a balanced overview. Thanks for listening. This open format is outstanding! Steve Leveston Former Monohull owner SeaCure (47'Jersey) Future Powercat Owner -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs Kolesnikovs Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:01 AM To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PCW] Trawlercat Marine versus Pacific Expedition Yachts All hands-- Power Catamaran List is not the forum for warfare between competing designers or builders. No more posts in this thread or on this subject will be permitted. In the interest of fairness, I will allow John Shaw and Patrick Meyer and anyone else named by Graham Pfister to post one message each in response to what Graham Pfister has posted. Then this subject will be shut down. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatworld.com _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List ----------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that we do not consent to any reading, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the transmitted information. _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List