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GPS outage?

BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Sep 7, 2013 12:11 PM

Hi

I'd say that:

HiNOTICE ADVISORY TO NAVSTAR USERS (NANU) 2013053
SUBJ: SVN34 (PRN04) FORECAST OUTAGE SUMMARY JDAY 246/1717 - JDAY 247/0029

  1. NANU TYPE: FCSTSUMM
    NANU NUMBER: 2013053
    NANU DTG: 040030Z SEP 2013
    REFERENCE NANU: 2013052
    REF NANU DTG: 291526Z AUG 2013
    SVN: 34
    PRN: 04
    START JDAY: 246
    START TIME ZULU: 1717
    START CALENDAR DATE: 03 SEP 2013
    STOP JDAY: 247
    STOP TIME ZULU: 0029
    STOP CALENDAR DATE: 04 SEP 2013
    
  2. CONDITION: GPS SATELLITE SVN34 (PRN04) WAS UNUSABLE ON JDAY 246
    (03 SEP 2013) BEGINNING 1717 ZULU UNTIL JDAY 247 (04 SEP 2013)
    ENDING 0029 ZULU.

  3. POC: CIVILIAN - NAVCEN AT 703-313-5900, HTTP://WWW.NAVCEN.USCG.GOV
    MILITARY - GPS OPERATIONS CENTER at HTTPS://GPS.AFSPC.AF.MIL/GPSOC, DSN 560-2541,
    COMM 719-567-2541, gpsoperationscenter@us.af.mil, HTTPS://GPS.AFSPC.AF.MIL
    MILITARY ALTERNATE - JOINT SPACE OPERATIONS CENTER, DSN 276-3514,
    COMM 805-606-3514, JSPOCCOMBATOPS@VANDENBERG.AF.MIL

is indeed trustworthy.

It could / might cause issues world wide. A lot depends on how people write their firmware and how many sats are in view. Apparently it was not an issue to normal navigation firmware. The basic question being - did they write the firmware to take the "best 2 out of 3" if things looked odd. Given all the issues with multi path I would think they would.

Bob

On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "John C. Westmoreland, P.E." john@westmorelandengineering.com wrote:

Fellow Time Nuts:

Is this a site to be trusted?:

http://adn.agi.com/SatelliteOutageCalendar/SOFCalendar.aspx

Regards,
John W.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. <
john@westmorelandengineering.com> wrote:

Lisa,

Thanks for this update.  How many Resolution-T receivers are out there?

Not to go off on another tangent - but I have heard something about 'GPS
jamming during the America's Cup'.  Hmmm.

Regards,
John Westmoreland

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Lisa Perdue perdue.lisa@gmail.com wrote:

Trimble has confirmed to us that the nonstandard outage on PRN 4 (SVN 34)
may have caused the Resolution-T receivers to perform a reset and then
return to normal operation. They are investigating the cause but it does
explain why only some people experienced the event. Other Trimble
receivers
and other manufacturers seem unaffected.

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wa1zms@att.net wrote:

Guys-

Please forgive me for the BW......

My day-job mgmt. has also asked me today if I knew of any US regional

GPS

"issues", as we too have had several reports of
our customers systems going into Rb hold-over on or about the 4th of

Sept.

Only fact I can find is that SVN 4 was noted as
an issue via:

But that can't be the root cause.

At work, I am now the "go-to-guy" for ANYTHING GPS related since I'm a
Time-Nut and we have customers who depend on
GPS timing for their  comm. systems;  and for reasons I cannot go into

here

on this reflector.

So like Brad.....I too have anecdotal reports of issues.  The sky is not
falling, nor was it a serious issue.
However if anyone has info that they cannot share via the reflector, a
private reply would be much appreciated.
I am not looking for info that cannot be openly shared. But if anyone

has

hint or clue, I would much appreciate it.

BTW....my GPS receivers here in VA seemed to have had no issue. Go

figure.

-Brian, WA1ZMS

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Brad Dye
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:14 PM
To: Time Nuts
Subject: [time-nuts] GPS outage?

Readers of my newsletter are reporting a strange interruption of their

GPS

reception yesterday -- mainly in the northeastern US but also in SC.

This

is
my first day on this mailing list -- for a while -- so I don't know if

this

has been discussed or reported previously. Has anyone else noticed

this? We

are trying to find out is there was some sort of system-wide issue or

maybe

if it was local interference possibly caused by those GPS jammers that

some

of the truckers have been using.

By the way, my newsletter is mostly about Paging, and we use GPS/DOs to
keep
the paging transmitters (in simulcast mode) synchronized and on

frequency.

Best regards,

Brad Dye, K9IQY
Editor, Wireless Messaging News
P.O. Box 266
Fairfield, IL  62837 USA
Telephone: 618-599-7869
Skype: braddye
http://www.braddye.com


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Hi I'd say that: HiNOTICE ADVISORY TO NAVSTAR USERS (NANU) 2013053 SUBJ: SVN34 (PRN04) FORECAST OUTAGE SUMMARY JDAY 246/1717 - JDAY 247/0029 1. NANU TYPE: FCSTSUMM NANU NUMBER: 2013053 NANU DTG: 040030Z SEP 2013 REFERENCE NANU: 2013052 REF NANU DTG: 291526Z AUG 2013 SVN: 34 PRN: 04 START JDAY: 246 START TIME ZULU: 1717 START CALENDAR DATE: 03 SEP 2013 STOP JDAY: 247 STOP TIME ZULU: 0029 STOP CALENDAR DATE: 04 SEP 2013 2. CONDITION: GPS SATELLITE SVN34 (PRN04) WAS UNUSABLE ON JDAY 246 (03 SEP 2013) BEGINNING 1717 ZULU UNTIL JDAY 247 (04 SEP 2013) ENDING 0029 ZULU. 3. POC: CIVILIAN - NAVCEN AT 703-313-5900, HTTP://WWW.NAVCEN.USCG.GOV MILITARY - GPS OPERATIONS CENTER at HTTPS://GPS.AFSPC.AF.MIL/GPSOC, DSN 560-2541, COMM 719-567-2541, gpsoperationscenter@us.af.mil, HTTPS://GPS.AFSPC.AF.MIL MILITARY ALTERNATE - JOINT SPACE OPERATIONS CENTER, DSN 276-3514, COMM 805-606-3514, JSPOCCOMBATOPS@VANDENBERG.AF.MIL is indeed trustworthy. It could / might cause issues world wide. A lot depends on how people write their firmware and how many sats are in view. Apparently it was not an issue to normal navigation firmware. The basic question being - did they write the firmware to take the "best 2 out of 3" if things looked odd. Given all the issues with multi path I would think they would. Bob On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "John C. Westmoreland, P.E." <john@westmorelandengineering.com> wrote: > Fellow Time Nuts: > > Is this a site to be trusted?: > > http://adn.agi.com/SatelliteOutageCalendar/SOFCalendar.aspx > > Regards, > John W. > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. < > john@westmorelandengineering.com> wrote: > >> Lisa, >> >> Thanks for this update. How many Resolution-T receivers are out there? >> >> Not to go off on another tangent - but I have heard something about 'GPS >> jamming during the America's Cup'. Hmmm. >> >> Regards, >> John Westmoreland >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Lisa Perdue <perdue.lisa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Trimble has confirmed to us that the nonstandard outage on PRN 4 (SVN 34) >>> may have caused the Resolution-T receivers to perform a reset and then >>> return to normal operation. They are investigating the cause but it does >>> explain why only some people experienced the event. Other Trimble >>> receivers >>> and other manufacturers seem unaffected. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS <wa1zms@att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Guys- >>>> >>>> Please forgive me for the BW...... >>>> >>>> My day-job mgmt. has also asked me today if I knew of any US regional >>> GPS >>>> "issues", as we too have had several reports of >>>> our customers systems going into Rb hold-over on or about the 4th of >>> Sept. >>>> Only fact I can find is that SVN 4 was noted as >>>> an issue via: >>> http://adn.agi.com/SatelliteOutageCalendar/SOFCalendar.aspx >>>> But that can't be the root cause. >>>> >>>> At work, I am now the "go-to-guy" for ANYTHING GPS related since I'm a >>>> Time-Nut and we have customers who depend on >>>> GPS timing for their comm. systems; and for reasons I cannot go into >>> here >>>> on this reflector. >>>> >>>> So like Brad.....I too have anecdotal reports of issues. The sky is not >>>> falling, nor was it a serious issue. >>>> However if anyone has info that they cannot share via the reflector, a >>>> private reply would be much appreciated. >>>> I am not looking for info that cannot be openly shared. But if anyone >>> has >>>> hint or clue, I would much appreciate it. >>>> >>>> BTW....my GPS receivers here in VA seemed to have had no issue. Go >>> figure. >>>> >>>> -Brian, WA1ZMS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Brad Dye >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:14 PM >>>> To: Time Nuts >>>> Subject: [time-nuts] GPS outage? >>>> >>>> Readers of my newsletter are reporting a strange interruption of their >>> GPS >>>> reception yesterday -- mainly in the northeastern US but also in SC. >>> This >>>> is >>>> my first day on this mailing list -- for a while -- so I don't know if >>> this >>>> has been discussed or reported previously. Has anyone else noticed >>> this? We >>>> are trying to find out is there was some sort of system-wide issue or >>> maybe >>>> if it was local interference possibly caused by those GPS jammers that >>> some >>>> of the truckers have been using. >>>> >>>> By the way, my newsletter is mostly about Paging, and we use GPS/DOs to >>>> keep >>>> the paging transmitters (in simulcast mode) synchronized and on >>> frequency. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Brad Dye, K9IQY >>>> Editor, Wireless Messaging News >>>> P.O. Box 266 >>>> Fairfield, IL 62837 USA >>>> Telephone: 618-599-7869 >>>> Skype: braddye >>>> http://www.braddye.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
JL
Jim Lux
Sat, Sep 7, 2013 2:15 PM

On 9/6/13 8:36 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:

Fellow Time Nuts:

Is this a site to be trusted?:

http://adn.agi.com/SatelliteOutageCalendar/SOFCalendar.aspx

Regards,
John W.

AGI are the folks who make and sell STK (Satellite Took Kit, I believe)
which has a dominant position in the marketplace for doing analyses of
satellite orbits, visibility, planning, etc.  They have all sorts of
hooks for their product: antenna patterns, link calculations, etc.

I prefer SOAP (Satellite Orbit Analysis Program) from Aerospace
Corporation (free for government use, maybe even for non-profits), but
STK is a much, much bigger commercial player.

Both products have fairly steep learning curves.

On 9/6/13 8:36 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: > Fellow Time Nuts: > > Is this a site to be trusted?: > > http://adn.agi.com/SatelliteOutageCalendar/SOFCalendar.aspx > > Regards, > John W. > AGI are the folks who make and sell STK (Satellite Took Kit, I believe) which has a dominant position in the marketplace for doing analyses of satellite orbits, visibility, planning, etc. They have all sorts of hooks for their product: antenna patterns, link calculations, etc. I prefer SOAP (Satellite Orbit Analysis Program) from Aerospace Corporation (free for government use, maybe even for non-profits), but STK is a much, much bigger commercial player. Both products have fairly steep learning curves.