Sinking Catamarans?

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Sanford Kramer
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 2:48 PM

First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I
would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran
would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I
would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be
enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods.
Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety?
Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would
certainly think so.

Sanford Kramer

First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods. Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety? Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would certainly think so. Sanford Kramer
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l larsen
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 3:41 PM

When I was buying my Endeavour TrawlerCat 38 I asked
Bob Vincent (president of Endeavour and designer of
the boat) if it would sink if I holed it.  He said
that the hulls would fill with water leaving the
engines and a lot of other things underwater but that
the boat itself would still float high enough so that
the cockpit floor would be above water.  The boat
would then be a disabled but still floating platform.
I think this is a good safty feature although a fire
could still leave you without a boat.

Larry Larsen
Endeavour 38 TrawlerCat
Sitara
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When I was buying my Endeavour TrawlerCat 38 I asked Bob Vincent (president of Endeavour and designer of the boat) if it would sink if I holed it. He said that the hulls would fill with water leaving the engines and a lot of other things underwater but that the boat itself would still float high enough so that the cockpit floor would be above water. The boat would then be a disabled but still floating platform. I think this is a good safty feature although a fire could still leave you without a boat. Larry Larsen Endeavour 38 TrawlerCat Sitara Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Robert Deering
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 3:41 PM

It all depends on the boat.  A highly-regarded, professionally designed,
commercially build aluminum power cat recently sank here after hitting a
concrete float and tearing a large gash in one forward hull.  From my
inspection it appeared that there was no watertight separation between
the two hulls, and inadequate bulkheading within the hulls.  I think
there were other factors as well.

The demands of interior layout configurations sometimes force
compromises in safety.

Bob Deering
Juneau Alaska

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Sanford
Kramer
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:48 AM
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans?

First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I
would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran
would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I
would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be
enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods.
Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety?
Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would
certainly think so.

Sanford Kramer


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

It all depends on the boat. A highly-regarded, professionally designed, commercially build aluminum power cat recently sank here after hitting a concrete float and tearing a large gash in one forward hull. From my inspection it appeared that there was no watertight separation between the two hulls, and inadequate bulkheading within the hulls. I think there were other factors as well. The demands of interior layout configurations sometimes force compromises in safety. Bob Deering Juneau Alaska -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Sanford Kramer Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:48 AM To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans? First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods. Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety? Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would certainly think so. Sanford Kramer _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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motorcat@o2.pl
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 3:41 PM
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Kris Czerwonka
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Od: Sanford Kramer
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Data: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:48:18 -0500
Temat:
[PCW] Sinking Catamarans?

First let me preface by saying that I know any

boat can sink. However I

would think that with the redundancy of two hulls,

sinking a Catamaran

would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed

and flooded, I

would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull

could/would be

enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson

side floods.

Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added

flotation safety?

Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation

safety? I would

certainly think so.

Sanford Kramer


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Unsinkable trial of Motorcat 30 Please see : http://www.motorcat.com/ut.html (http://www.motorcat.com/ut.html) Regards Kris Czerwonka ---- Wiadomo6f Oryginalna ---- Od: Sanford Kramer Do: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Data: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:48:18 -0500 Temat: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans? > First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I > would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran > would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I > would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be > enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods. > Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety? > Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would > certainly think so. > > Sanford Kramer > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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motorcat@o2.pl
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 3:44 PM

---- Wiadomo6f Oryginalna ----
Od: Robert Deering deering@ak.net
Do: 'Power Catamaran List' power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Data: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:41:50 -0900
Temat: Re: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans?

It all depends on the boat.  A highly-regarded, professionally designed,
commercially build aluminum power cat recently sank here after hitting a
concrete float and tearing a large gash in one forward hull.  From my
inspection it appeared that there was no watertight separation between
the two hulls, and inadequate bulkheading within the hulls.  I think
there were other factors as well.

The demands of interior layout configurations sometimes force
compromises in safety.

Bob Deering
Juneau Alaska

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Sanford
Kramer
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:48 AM
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans?

First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I
would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran
would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I
would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be
enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods.
Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety?
Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would
certainly think so.

Sanford Kramer


Power-Catamaran Mailing List


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---- Wiadomo6f Oryginalna ---- Od: Robert Deering <deering@ak.net> Do: 'Power Catamaran List' <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Data: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:41:50 -0900 Temat: Re: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans? > It all depends on the boat. A highly-regarded, professionally designed, > commercially build aluminum power cat recently sank here after hitting a > concrete float and tearing a large gash in one forward hull. From my > inspection it appeared that there was no watertight separation between > the two hulls, and inadequate bulkheading within the hulls. I think > there were other factors as well. > > The demands of interior layout configurations sometimes force > compromises in safety. > > Bob Deering > Juneau Alaska > > -----Original Message----- > From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com > [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Sanford > Kramer > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:48 AM > To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com > Subject: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans? > > First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I > would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran > would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I > would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be > enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods. > Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety? > Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would > certainly think so. > > Sanford Kramer > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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Alan Bliss
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 9:26 PM

Few mariners have devoted more concentrated thought to these questions than
the late, lamented Phil Weld. He spent five days trapped beneath his ocean
racing trimaran "Gulf Streamer," which had been capsized off Bermuda by a
rogue wave. Upon returning to his Massachusetts home, he promptly built a
new trimaran, appropriately named "Rogue Wave," and set to sea in her. In
yet a later iteration of the design, named (also appropriately) "Moxie," he
won the 1980 OSTAR (Observer Single-handed Transatlantic Race). He was 65
years of age. In his book Moxie: The American Challenge (The Bodley Head,
Ltd., London: 1982), he reflects on those experiences and shares a wealth of
insights about preparing a multihulled yacht for survival conditions. The
book is a splendid read to boot.

Weld favored sailing trimarans over cats, but broadly and passionately
argued that while multihulls are indeed capable of being flipped in extreme
conditions, the crew will almost certainly be left with a survival platform
upon which they can await rescue. Meanwhile, there are many things that the
crew bound for sea can do to make survival and rescue more likely than not.

Alan Bliss
Gainesville, Florida

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Sanford
Kramer
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:48 AM
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans?

First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I
would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran
would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I
would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be
enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods.
Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety?
Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would
certainly think so.

Sanford Kramer


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Few mariners have devoted more concentrated thought to these questions than the late, lamented Phil Weld. He spent five days trapped beneath his ocean racing trimaran "Gulf Streamer," which had been capsized off Bermuda by a rogue wave. Upon returning to his Massachusetts home, he promptly built a new trimaran, appropriately named "Rogue Wave," and set to sea in her. In yet a later iteration of the design, named (also appropriately) "Moxie," he won the 1980 OSTAR (Observer Single-handed Transatlantic Race). He was 65 years of age. In his book _Moxie: The American Challenge_ (The Bodley Head, Ltd., London: 1982), he reflects on those experiences and shares a wealth of insights about preparing a multihulled yacht for survival conditions. The book is a splendid read to boot. Weld favored sailing trimarans over cats, but broadly and passionately argued that while multihulls are indeed capable of being flipped in extreme conditions, the crew will almost certainly be left with a survival platform upon which they can await rescue. Meanwhile, there are many things that the crew bound for sea can do to make survival and rescue more likely than not. Alan Bliss Gainesville, Florida -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Sanford Kramer Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:48 AM To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PCW] Sinking Catamarans? First let me preface by saying that I know any boat can sink. However I would think that with the redundancy of two hulls, sinking a Catamaran would be more difficult. If a hull gets severely holed and flooded, I would think that the buoyancy of the remaining hull could/would be enough to stay afloat, at least until the undamaged sponson side floods. Are there any opinions on the Catamaran issue of added flotation safety? Are two hulls better than one in regard to flotation safety? I would certainly think so. Sanford Kramer _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List