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Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins

PP
Philip Pemberton
Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:01 AM

Hi guys,

I've got a pair of Solartron 7150Plus 6.5-digit digital multimeters
sitting on my desk which have just come back from calibration. One unit
calibrated to standard perfectly (with the note "resistance and 0.2VAC
ranges readjusted to norm and retested"). The other one seems to have
some issues.

The calibration lab reported that "Calibration on AC V and I ranges
fails with message 'ERROR' on FP. Partial calibration performed, other
ranges fine."
DC voltage, current and resistance are reading fine and well within
acceptable norms and agree with the other meter (plus/minus a dozen or
so counts in 6-digit mode).

If I connect an AC source (my function generator set to 400Hz per
service manual spec), the FG display and calibrated meter return valid
results.

When I connect up the faulty meter, I can calibrate it fine for about an
hour after power up. After exiting CAL mode, the indicated voltage on
all AC ranges gradually drops to the point where after three hours it's
half a volt down on nominal. Putting the meter back into CAL mode and
attempting a recalibration results in the ERROR message appearing.

The service and ops manuals suggest this means the calibration source
isn't in range or there's a hardware fault. Obviously the cal source is
in range because the calibrated meter (and my Agilent U1251A) both say
it is... which leaves a fault on the DMM.

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

I'm thinking a component has gone temperature-sensitive -- and given
that this affects both AC voltage and current, it'd have to be in the
parts common to those sections. The A/D is obviously working fine
because the DC ranges are rock solid. I've yet to remove the cover and
test things, but my suspect list is as follows:

  • True-RMS to DC converter - IC21, AD637K. (£65! I REALLY hope it
    isn't this thing)
  • Opamp IC15 (AD528J / LH0062CH FET opamp, seemingly long obsolete)
  • Analog switch IC18 (DG211 - a couple of quid each from Farnell)
  • TR1 and TR2 (a pair of 3N163s - more expensive parts - about £20 each!)
  • TR12 (WN1001, seems to handle gain setting around IC15 - can't even
    find a datasheet for this one so I really really REALLY hope it hasn't
    gone bad)
  • A handful of passives (resistors and capacitors)

This is based on a look at the circuit diagrams in the service manual
and elimination of parts common to other circuit blocks which are
functioning correctly.

I'm thinking that a good starting point would be to cool each of these
parts in turn with freezer spray, then see if the meter is affected. If
it is, warm the part back up with a hair dryer and see if it drifts back
again.

However if someone has any other ideas or suggestions then I'd love to
hear them :)

Thanks,

Phil.
philpem@philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/

Hi guys, I've got a pair of Solartron 7150Plus 6.5-digit digital multimeters sitting on my desk which have just come back from calibration. One unit calibrated to standard perfectly (with the note "resistance and 0.2VAC ranges readjusted to norm and retested"). The other one seems to have some issues. The calibration lab reported that "Calibration on AC V and I ranges fails with message 'ERROR' on FP. Partial calibration performed, other ranges fine." DC voltage, current and resistance are reading fine and well within acceptable norms and agree with the other meter (plus/minus a dozen or so counts in 6-digit mode). If I connect an AC source (my function generator set to 400Hz per service manual spec), the FG display and calibrated meter return valid results. When I connect up the faulty meter, I can calibrate it fine for about an hour after power up. After exiting CAL mode, the indicated voltage on all AC ranges gradually drops to the point where after three hours it's half a volt down on nominal. Putting the meter back into CAL mode and attempting a recalibration results in the ERROR message appearing. The service and ops manuals suggest this means the calibration source isn't in range or there's a hardware fault. Obviously the cal source is in range because the calibrated meter (and my Agilent U1251A) both say it is... which leaves a fault on the DMM. Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm thinking a component has gone temperature-sensitive -- and given that this affects both AC voltage and current, it'd have to be in the parts common to those sections. The A/D is obviously working fine because the DC ranges are rock solid. I've yet to remove the cover and test things, but my suspect list is as follows: - True-RMS to DC converter - IC21, AD637K. (£65! I REALLY hope it isn't this thing) - Opamp IC15 (AD528J / LH0062CH FET opamp, seemingly long obsolete) - Analog switch IC18 (DG211 - a couple of quid each from Farnell) - TR1 and TR2 (a pair of 3N163s - more expensive parts - about £20 each!) - TR12 (WN1001, seems to handle gain setting around IC15 - can't even find a datasheet for this one so I really really *REALLY* hope it hasn't gone bad) - A handful of passives (resistors and capacitors) This is based on a look at the circuit diagrams in the service manual and elimination of parts common to other circuit blocks which are functioning correctly. I'm thinking that a good starting point would be to cool each of these parts in turn with freezer spray, then see if the meter is affected. If it is, warm the part back up with a hair dryer and see if it drifts back again. However if someone has any other ideas or suggestions then I'd love to hear them :) Thanks, -- Phil. philpem@philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/
WD
Wim de Jong
Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:03 AM

Phil,
I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its
calibration constants.
Regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl

-------- Origineel bericht --------
Onderwerp: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins
Datum: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 01:01:08 +0000
Van: Philip Pemberton philpem@philpem.me.uk
Antwoord-naar: Discussion of precise voltage measurement
volt-nuts@febo.com
Aan: volt-nuts@febo.com

Hi guys,

I've got a pair of Solartron 7150Plus 6.5-digit digital multimeters
sitting on my desk which have just come back from calibration. One unit
calibrated to standard perfectly (with the note "resistance and 0.2VAC
ranges readjusted to norm and retested"). The other one seems to have
some issues.

The calibration lab reported that "Calibration on AC V and I ranges
fails with message 'ERROR' on FP. Partial calibration performed, other
ranges fine."
DC voltage, current and resistance are reading fine and well within
acceptable norms and agree with the other meter (plus/minus a dozen or
so counts in 6-digit mode).

If I connect an AC source (my function generator set to 400Hz per
service manual spec), the FG display and calibrated meter return valid
results.

When I connect up the faulty meter, I can calibrate it fine for about an
hour after power up. After exiting CAL mode, the indicated voltage on
all AC ranges gradually drops to the point where after three hours it's
half a volt down on nominal. Putting the meter back into CAL mode and
attempting a recalibration results in the ERROR message appearing.

The service and ops manuals suggest this means the calibration source
isn't in range or there's a hardware fault. Obviously the cal source is
in range because the calibrated meter (and my Agilent U1251A) both say
it is... which leaves a fault on the DMM.

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

I'm thinking a component has gone temperature-sensitive -- and given
that this affects both AC voltage and current, it'd have to be in the
parts common to those sections. The A/D is obviously working fine
because the DC ranges are rock solid. I've yet to remove the cover and
test things, but my suspect list is as follows:

  • True-RMS to DC converter - IC21, AD637K. (£65! I REALLY hope it
    isn't this thing)
  • Opamp IC15 (AD528J / LH0062CH FET opamp, seemingly long obsolete)
  • Analog switch IC18 (DG211 - a couple of quid each from Farnell)
  • TR1 and TR2 (a pair of 3N163s - more expensive parts - about £20 each!)
  • TR12 (WN1001, seems to handle gain setting around IC15 - can't even
    find a datasheet for this one so I really really REALLY hope it hasn't
    gone bad)
  • A handful of passives (resistors and capacitors)

This is based on a look at the circuit diagrams in the service manual
and elimination of parts common to other circuit blocks which are
functioning correctly.

I'm thinking that a good starting point would be to cool each of these
parts in turn with freezer spray, then see if the meter is affected. If
it is, warm the part back up with a hair dryer and see if it drifts back
again.

However if someone has any other ideas or suggestions then I'd love to
hear them :)

Thanks,

Phil.
philpem@philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/


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Phil, I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its calibration constants. Regards, Wim. Wim de Jong wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl -------- Origineel bericht -------- Onderwerp: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins Datum: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 01:01:08 +0000 Van: Philip Pemberton <philpem@philpem.me.uk> Antwoord-naar: Discussion of precise voltage measurement <volt-nuts@febo.com> Aan: volt-nuts@febo.com Hi guys, I've got a pair of Solartron 7150Plus 6.5-digit digital multimeters sitting on my desk which have just come back from calibration. One unit calibrated to standard perfectly (with the note "resistance and 0.2VAC ranges readjusted to norm and retested"). The other one seems to have some issues. The calibration lab reported that "Calibration on AC V and I ranges fails with message 'ERROR' on FP. Partial calibration performed, other ranges fine." DC voltage, current and resistance are reading fine and well within acceptable norms and agree with the other meter (plus/minus a dozen or so counts in 6-digit mode). If I connect an AC source (my function generator set to 400Hz per service manual spec), the FG display and calibrated meter return valid results. When I connect up the faulty meter, I can calibrate it fine for about an hour after power up. After exiting CAL mode, the indicated voltage on all AC ranges gradually drops to the point where after three hours it's half a volt down on nominal. Putting the meter back into CAL mode and attempting a recalibration results in the ERROR message appearing. The service and ops manuals suggest this means the calibration source isn't in range or there's a hardware fault. Obviously the cal source is in range because the calibrated meter (and my Agilent U1251A) both say it is... which leaves a fault on the DMM. Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm thinking a component has gone temperature-sensitive -- and given that this affects both AC voltage and current, it'd have to be in the parts common to those sections. The A/D is obviously working fine because the DC ranges are rock solid. I've yet to remove the cover and test things, but my suspect list is as follows: - True-RMS to DC converter - IC21, AD637K. (£65! I REALLY hope it isn't this thing) - Opamp IC15 (AD528J / LH0062CH FET opamp, seemingly long obsolete) - Analog switch IC18 (DG211 - a couple of quid each from Farnell) - TR1 and TR2 (a pair of 3N163s - more expensive parts - about £20 each!) - TR12 (WN1001, seems to handle gain setting around IC15 - can't even find a datasheet for this one so I really really *REALLY* hope it hasn't gone bad) - A handful of passives (resistors and capacitors) This is based on a look at the circuit diagrams in the service manual and elimination of parts common to other circuit blocks which are functioning correctly. I'm thinking that a good starting point would be to cool each of these parts in turn with freezer spray, then see if the meter is affected. If it is, warm the part back up with a hair dryer and see if it drifts back again. However if someone has any other ideas or suggestions then I'd love to hear them :) Thanks, -- Phil. philpem@philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/ _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
DC
David C. Partridge
Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:25 AM

Wim

I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC ranges are correct,  it is just the AC ranges that are a problem.  If the EAROMs were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Wim de Jong
Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04
To: volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins

Phil,
I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its calibration constants.
Regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl

Wim I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC ranges are correct, it is just the AC ranges that are a problem. If the EAROMs were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants. Dave -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Wim de Jong Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04 To: volt-nuts@febo.com Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins Phil, I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its calibration constants. Regards, Wim. Wim de Jong wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl
DC
David C. Partridge
Fri, Dec 7, 2012 9:39 AM

If it does turn out the be the AD637 (shudder), you can get the SOIC AD637B or AD637K for about GBP30 and use an SOIC to DIP adapter (e.g. Winslow). This should work even though it is SOIC16 versus DIP14, as the two NC pins are at one end of the SOIC.

HtH Dave

If it does turn out the be the AD637 (shudder), you can get the SOIC AD637B or AD637K for about GBP30 and use an SOIC to DIP adapter (e.g. Winslow). This should work even though it is SOIC16 versus DIP14, as the two NC pins are at one end of the SOIC. HtH Dave
WD
Wim de Jong
Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:19 PM

Dave,

Thats the question. It depends on the quality of the cells where the AC
calibration info is stored.
I'm not aware of a checksum function on these EAROM's.

If it is the AC part, I've some spare parts if necessary... Just let me
know.

Kind regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl

Op 7-12-2012 10:25, David C. Partridge schreef:

Wim

I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC ranges are correct,  it is just the AC ranges that are a problem.  If the EAROMs were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Wim de Jong
Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04
To: volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins

Phil,
I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its calibration constants.
Regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl


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Dave, Thats the question. It depends on the quality of the cells where the AC calibration info is stored. I'm not aware of a checksum function on these EAROM's. If it is the AC part, I've some spare parts if necessary... Just let me know. Kind regards, Wim. Wim de Jong wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl Op 7-12-2012 10:25, David C. Partridge schreef: > Wim > > I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC ranges are correct, it is just the AC ranges that are a problem. If the EAROMs were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants. > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Wim de Jong > Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04 > To: volt-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins > > Phil, > I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its calibration constants. > Regards, Wim. > > Wim de Jong > wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
RK
Rob Klein
Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:32 PM

As per Philip's original post, all AC ranges drop gradually. This is
really not consistent with a faulty
EAROM.

Rob.

Op 7-12-2012 13:19, Wim de Jong schreef:

Dave,

Thats the question. It depends on the quality of the cells where the
AC calibration info is stored.
I'm not aware of a checksum function on these EAROM's.

If it is the AC part, I've some spare parts if necessary... Just let
me know.

Kind regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl

Op 7-12-2012 10:25, David C. Partridge schreef:

Wim

I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC
ranges are correct,  it is just the AC ranges that are a problem.  If
the EAROMs were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com]
On Behalf Of Wim de Jong
Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04
To: volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins

Phil,
I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its
calibration constants.
Regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl


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As per Philip's original post, _all_ AC ranges drop gradually. This is really not consistent with a faulty EAROM. Rob. Op 7-12-2012 13:19, Wim de Jong schreef: > Dave, > > Thats the question. It depends on the quality of the cells where the > AC calibration info is stored. > I'm not aware of a checksum function on these EAROM's. > > If it is the AC part, I've some spare parts if necessary... Just let > me know. > > Kind regards, Wim. > > Wim de Jong > wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl > > Op 7-12-2012 10:25, David C. Partridge schreef: >> Wim >> >> I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC >> ranges are correct, it is just the AC ranges that are a problem. If >> the EAROMs were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants. >> >> Dave >> -----Original Message----- >> From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >> On Behalf Of Wim de Jong >> Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04 >> To: volt-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins >> >> Phil, >> I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its >> calibration constants. >> Regards, Wim. >> >> Wim de Jong >> wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
PP
Philip Pemberton
Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:54 PM

Also, I should mention that the Calibration Refresh procedure succeeds.

I'd expect that if the EAROM had failed or become marginal, the
Calibration Refresh would fail (as I recall, the manual says something to
this effect though I don't have mine here to check).

Thanks,
Phil.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Rob Klein wrote:

As per Philip's original post, all AC ranges drop gradually. This is really
not consistent with a faulty
EAROM.

Rob.

Op 7-12-2012 13:19, Wim de Jong schreef:

Dave,

Thats the question. It depends on the quality of the cells where the AC
calibration info is stored.
I'm not aware of a checksum function on these EAROM's.

If it is the AC part, I've some spare parts if necessary... Just let me
know.

Kind regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl

Op 7-12-2012 10:25, David C. Partridge schreef:

Wim

I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC ranges
are correct,  it is just the AC ranges that are a problem.  If the EAROMs
were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Wim de Jong
Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04
To: volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins

Phil,
I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its
calibration constants.
Regards, Wim.

Wim de Jong
wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl


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Also, I should mention that the Calibration Refresh procedure succeeds. I'd expect that if the EAROM had failed or become marginal, the Calibration Refresh would fail (as I recall, the manual says something to this effect though I don't have mine here to check). Thanks, Phil. On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Rob Klein wrote: > As per Philip's original post, _all_ AC ranges drop gradually. This is really > not consistent with a faulty > EAROM. > > Rob. > > Op 7-12-2012 13:19, Wim de Jong schreef: >> Dave, >> >> Thats the question. It depends on the quality of the cells where the AC >> calibration info is stored. >> I'm not aware of a checksum function on these EAROM's. >> >> If it is the AC part, I've some spare parts if necessary... Just let me >> know. >> >> Kind regards, Wim. >> >> Wim de Jong >> wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl >> >> Op 7-12-2012 10:25, David C. Partridge schreef: >>> Wim >>> >>> I don't think that is likely, as Phil clearly says that all the DC ranges >>> are correct, it is just the AC ranges that are a problem. If the EAROMs >>> were bad, you'd lose all the calibration constants. >>> >>> Dave >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On >>> Behalf Of Wim de Jong >>> Sent: 07 December 2012 08:04 >>> To: volt-nuts@febo.com >>> Subject: [volt-nuts] Fwd: Solartron 7150plus - Chasing AC gremlins >>> >>> Phil, >>> I suspect it to be the EAROM(s) IC 105/6 of this meter. Losing its >>> calibration constants. >>> Regards, Wim. >>> >>> Wim de Jong >>> wim.de.jong.59@solcon.nl >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Phil. philpem@philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/