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Re: [volt-nuts] do you like Labview in your labs?

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Matt Ettus
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:09 AM

Guys,

Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on
topic?  When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that
it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread
on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality.  What
part of that relates to precise voltage measurement?

Matt

Guys, Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What part of that relates to precise voltage measurement? Matt
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Chuck Harris
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 1:21 PM

Seems to me that John was a part of this thread...

-Chuck Harris

Matt Ettus wrote:

Guys,

Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on
topic?  When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that
it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread
on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality.  What
part of that relates to precise voltage measurement?

Matt


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Seems to me that John was a part of this thread... -Chuck Harris Matt Ettus wrote: > Guys, > > Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on > topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that > it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread > on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What > part of that relates to precise voltage measurement? > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
RK
Rob Klein
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:11 PM

Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/.

-Rob

Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef:

Seems to me that John was a part of this thread...

-Chuck Harris

Matt Ettus wrote:

Guys,

Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on
topic?  When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that
it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread
on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality.  What
part of that relates to precise voltage measurement?

Matt

Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/. -Rob Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef: > Seems to me that John was a part of this thread... > > -Chuck Harris > > Matt Ettus wrote: >> Guys, >> >> Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on >> topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that >> it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread >> on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What >> part of that relates to precise voltage measurement? >> >> Matt
RK
Rob Klein
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:13 PM

... and he was referring to this post on the time-nuts list:
http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2010-November/051814.html

Op 8-12-2010 15:11, Rob Klein schreef:

Matt meant John Ackermann, the list administrator.

-Rob

... and he was referring to this post on the time-nuts list: http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2010-November/051814.html Op 8-12-2010 15:11, Rob Klein schreef: > Matt meant John Ackermann, the list administrator. > > -Rob
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Chuck Harris
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM

So did I.

Rob Klein wrote:

Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/.

-Rob

Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef:

Seems to me that John was a part of this thread...

-Chuck Harris

Matt Ettus wrote:

Guys,

Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on
topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that
it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread
on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What
part of that relates to precise voltage measurement?

Matt


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So did I. Rob Klein wrote: > Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/. > > -Rob > > Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef: >> Seems to me that John was a part of this thread... >> >> -Chuck Harris >> >> Matt Ettus wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on >>> topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that >>> it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread >>> on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What >>> part of that relates to precise voltage measurement? >>> >>> Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Rob Klein
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 PM

Blech! Missed that one, sorry.

Op 8-12-2010 15:24, Chuck Harris schreef:

So did I.

Rob Klein wrote:

Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/.

-Rob

Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef:

Seems to me that John was a part of this thread...

-Chuck Harris

Matt Ettus wrote:

Guys,

Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on
topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that
it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread
on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What
part of that relates to precise voltage measurement?

Matt


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Blech! Missed that one, sorry. Op 8-12-2010 15:24, Chuck Harris schreef: > So did I. > > Rob Klein wrote: >> Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/. >> >> -Rob >> >> Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef: >>> Seems to me that John was a part of this thread... >>> >>> -Chuck Harris >>> >>> Matt Ettus wrote: >>>> Guys, >>>> >>>> Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on >>>> topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that >>>> it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread >>>> on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What >>>> part of that relates to precise voltage measurement? >>>> >>>> Matt >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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John Ackermann N8UR
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:16 PM

OK, I did join the thread -- but my posting was about programming
languages for data acquisition, which was pretty closely related to the
original, relatively on-topic, subject!

I recognize that the folks who inhabit both time-nuts and volt-nuts are
curious and clever, and that there will be off-topic diversions.  I ask
folks to exercise self-control, and think that polite reminders are OK
when things do drift.  But I also value my blood pressure so I try not
to get too heated up unless things degenerate into rudeness or complete
lack of respect for the other list members' bandwidth.

John

On 12/8/2010 9:43 AM, Rob Klein wrote:

Blech! Missed that one, sorry.

Op 8-12-2010 15:24, Chuck Harris schreef:

So did I.

Rob Klein wrote:

Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/.

-Rob

Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef:

Seems to me that John was a part of this thread...

-Chuck Harris

Matt Ettus wrote:

Guys,

Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on
topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that
it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread
on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What
part of that relates to precise voltage measurement?

Matt


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OK, I did join the thread -- but my posting was about programming languages for data acquisition, which was pretty closely related to the original, relatively on-topic, subject! I recognize that the folks who inhabit both time-nuts and volt-nuts are curious and clever, and that there will be off-topic diversions. I ask folks to exercise self-control, and think that *polite* reminders are OK when things do drift. But I also value my blood pressure so I try not to get too heated up unless things degenerate into rudeness or complete lack of respect for the other list members' bandwidth. John ---- On 12/8/2010 9:43 AM, Rob Klein wrote: > Blech! Missed that one, sorry. > > Op 8-12-2010 15:24, Chuck Harris schreef: >> So did I. >> >> Rob Klein wrote: >>> Matt meant /John Ackermann, the list administrator/. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> Op 8-12-2010 14:21, Chuck Harris schreef: >>>> Seems to me that John was a part of this thread... >>>> >>>> -Chuck Harris >>>> >>>> Matt Ettus wrote: >>>>> Guys, >>>>> >>>>> Didn't John just ask a couple of weeks ago that we keep things on >>>>> topic? When you make the subject line "Way OT" you clearly know that >>>>> it is off topic, so I don't understand why you are continuing a thread >>>>> on choirs, Wanamakers, panhandlers, and cellphone video quality. What >>>>> part of that relates to precise voltage measurement? >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Marvin E. Gozum
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:19 PM

Mea culpa for bringing up the thread, but to clarify my rationale,
IMHO as I understand the needs:

Establishing a volt requires 3 things: hardware for creating and
sustaining a volt, its accurate measurement, and tracking variations
through time.  To assist collecting data and measure its variation,
its best done in software.

Most discussion has initially centered on the building a stable a
zener based volt.  For accurate measurement, there was discussion on
the HP/Agilent 3458a, and other voltmeters.  But for tracking data
through time, not much.  I had initiated a query on its need 6+
months ago, and this generated a set of replies with some nice graphs
of volt/time over short duration, weeks or days.  And here we are at
the details now.

The question I raise was directed purely on the use of Labview or
write my own software, but it was related to the volt in this
way.  On the software, the issue digressed but was strong related to
whether a platform be open-source or commercial, and analogies to
that, but this was pertinent to long term maintainability.

I currently have 5 months of initial observation data, and I'm moving
to fully automate it so it requires minimal input from me and it just
runs, as I need at least 1-2 years of data to confirm degree of
seasonal variations.  This will best characterize ambient
temperature, pressure and humidity variations on a simple zener volt
reference; these phenomena have already been described in many
metrology papers.

Sincerely,

Marv Gozum
Philadelphia, PA

Mea culpa for bringing up the thread, but to clarify my rationale, IMHO as I understand the needs: Establishing a volt requires 3 things: hardware for creating and sustaining a volt, its accurate measurement, and tracking variations through time. To assist collecting data and measure its variation, its best done in software. Most discussion has initially centered on the building a stable a zener based volt. For accurate measurement, there was discussion on the HP/Agilent 3458a, and other voltmeters. But for tracking data through time, not much. I had initiated a query on its need 6+ months ago, and this generated a set of replies with some nice graphs of volt/time over short duration, weeks or days. And here we are at the details now. The question I raise was directed purely on the use of Labview or write my own software, but it was related to the volt in this way. On the software, the issue digressed but was strong related to whether a platform be open-source or commercial, and analogies to that, but this was pertinent to long term maintainability. I currently have 5 months of initial observation data, and I'm moving to fully automate it so it requires minimal input from me and it just runs, as I need at least 1-2 years of data to confirm degree of seasonal variations. This will best characterize ambient temperature, pressure and humidity variations on a simple zener volt reference; these phenomena have already been described in many metrology papers. Sincerely, Marv Gozum Philadelphia, PA
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Chuck Harris
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:11 PM

Just as I cannot imagine time tracking in today's world without computer
assistance, I cannot imagine being a volt-nut without the same computer
assistance... I'm just not going to go back to hand drawn charts, and
chart recorders!  A thread on Python, Labview, GPIB, and similar issues is
certainly relevant to me.  Probably to others too.

I brought up the open source GPIB software and solutions because I would
much rather spend my limited coin on specialized hardware, than on high
priced software.

-Chuck Harris

Marvin E. Gozum wrote:

Mea culpa for bringing up the thread, but to clarify my rationale, IMHO
as I understand the needs:

Establishing a volt requires 3 things: hardware for creating and
sustaining a volt, its accurate measurement, and tracking variations
through time. To assist collecting data and measure its variation, its
best done in software.
...

Just as I cannot imagine time tracking in today's world without computer assistance, I cannot imagine being a volt-nut without the same computer assistance... I'm just not going to go back to hand drawn charts, and chart recorders! A thread on Python, Labview, GPIB, and similar issues is certainly relevant to me. Probably to others too. I brought up the open source GPIB software and solutions because I would much rather spend my limited coin on specialized hardware, than on high priced software. -Chuck Harris Marvin E. Gozum wrote: > Mea culpa for bringing up the thread, but to clarify my rationale, IMHO > as I understand the needs: > > Establishing a volt requires 3 things: hardware for creating and > sustaining a volt, its accurate measurement, and tracking variations > through time. To assist collecting data and measure its variation, its > best done in software. >...
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Robert Atkinson
Wed, Dec 8, 2010 9:27 PM

Hi all,
I'm having a forced downsize and my Solartron 7061 has to go. It's in good working order and condition and is complete with the correct input lead, calibration key and original manual. I've replaced the NVRAM nicad (with an auxillary supply connected to keep the calibration).
Don't really want to sell it but I thought I'd offer it here before it goes on ebay. I'm open to offers. I'll send it outside the UK but shipping will not be cheap, DHL to the USA would be £120. Please contact me off list if you are interested.
 
Regards,
Robert G8RPI.

Hi all, I'm having a forced downsize and my Solartron 7061 has to go. It's in good working order and condition and is complete with the correct input lead, calibration key and original manual. I've replaced the NVRAM nicad (with an auxillary supply connected to keep the calibration). Don't really want to sell it but I thought I'd offer it here before it goes on ebay. I'm open to offers. I'll send it outside the UK but shipping will not be cheap, DHL to the USA would be £120. Please contact me off list if you are interested.   Regards, Robert G8RPI.