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Autopilots and Bridges

RM
Ray Macke
Sat, May 30, 2015 4:05 AM

I have a 29' homebuilt trawler and up until recently had been using a
autopilot that used the GPS for a heading sensor. Recently I upgraded to
a more refine unit (Raymarine EV-100) using an electronic compass for
heading have have been very pleased with the improvement. A couple weeks
ago is was passing through the canal between Kentucky and Barkley Lakes
while using the autopilot - something I have done dozens of times. I was
holding to the starboard side of the canal and was passing near one of
the large concrete bridge supports that are positioned on each side of
the channel. As I was directly beside it the autopilot suddenly pulled
hard to the starboard. Fortunately I was able to quickly disarm it and
swing back port before I ran into the shore but was very surprised by event.

I turned around and passed back by it 3 or 4 more times without the
pilot but watching the compass. I was surprised to see it swing over 90
degrees each time I passed by. Went to the center of the canal making
the supports an equal distance on each side and still saw a minor swing
of the compass. I am sure this has always happened but never noticed it
until the autopilot pointed me at the way too close rip rap covered
shoreline.

I am assuming there must have been enough metal in the bridge piling to
cause the variation but never would have thought it could produce a 90
plus degree compass swing. Is this the norm with a flux gate compass?

Ray Macke
http://www.egyptian.net/~raymacke/TG/TG01.html
http://www.egyptian.net/%7Eraymacke/TG/TG01.html

I have a 29' homebuilt trawler and up until recently had been using a autopilot that used the GPS for a heading sensor. Recently I upgraded to a more refine unit (Raymarine EV-100) using an electronic compass for heading have have been very pleased with the improvement. A couple weeks ago is was passing through the canal between Kentucky and Barkley Lakes while using the autopilot - something I have done dozens of times. I was holding to the starboard side of the canal and was passing near one of the large concrete bridge supports that are positioned on each side of the channel. As I was directly beside it the autopilot suddenly pulled hard to the starboard. Fortunately I was able to quickly disarm it and swing back port before I ran into the shore but was very surprised by event. I turned around and passed back by it 3 or 4 more times without the pilot but watching the compass. I was surprised to see it swing over 90 degrees each time I passed by. Went to the center of the canal making the supports an equal distance on each side and still saw a minor swing of the compass. I am sure this has always happened but never noticed it until the autopilot pointed me at the way too close rip rap covered shoreline. I am assuming there must have been enough metal in the bridge piling to cause the variation but never would have thought it could produce a 90 plus degree compass swing. Is this the norm with a flux gate compass? Ray Macke http://www.egyptian.net/~raymacke/TG/TG01.html <http://www.egyptian.net/%7Eraymacke/TG/TG01.html>
JP
joseph.pica@gmail.com
Sat, May 30, 2015 12:46 PM

Yes.  The this will occur to some degree at bridges,  old submerged lock structures etc.

Joe Pica
M/V Carolyn Ann GH N-37
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
MTOA#3813, AGLCA #5485

Yes. The this will occur to some degree at bridges, old submerged lock structures etc. Joe Pica M/V Carolyn Ann GH N-37 http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/ MTOA#3813, AGLCA #5485
RG
Rich Gano
Sat, May 30, 2015 1:13 PM

I have always made it a practice to disengage the autopilot when approaching
bridges and would of course never keep it engaged when near barges,
stationary or otherwise.

Rich Gano
Calypso (1972 GB42)
Panama City, FL
https://sites.google.com/site/grandbanks42sale/

I have always made it a practice to disengage the autopilot when approaching bridges and would of course never keep it engaged when near barges, stationary or otherwise. Rich Gano Calypso (1972 GB42) Panama City, FL https://sites.google.com/site/grandbanks42sale/
RY
Ralph Yost
Sat, May 30, 2015 1:58 PM

I agree.
My autopilot had a flux gate compass and I experienced variations but not to
the degree you did. I also noticed the current flow through bridges can be
so intense that it will force the autopilot to work harder to compensate
from the sudden push on either end of the boat. And for those reasons when
approaching a bridge I made it a practice to disengage the autopilot or at
least have my finger on the button to put it into standby.
R,

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I have always made it a practice to disengage the autopilot when approaching
bridges and would of course never keep it engaged when near barges,
stationary or otherwise.

Rich Gano
Calypso (1972 GB42)
Panama City, FL
https://sites.google.com/site/grandbanks42sale/


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I agree. My autopilot had a flux gate compass and I experienced variations but not to the degree you did. I also noticed the current flow through bridges can be so intense that it will force the autopilot to work harder to compensate from the sudden push on either end of the boat. And for those reasons when approaching a bridge I made it a practice to disengage the autopilot or at least have my finger on the button to put it into standby. R, -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Rich Gano Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:14 AM To: 'Ray Macke'; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: Re: GL: Autopilots and Bridges I have always made it a practice to disengage the autopilot when approaching bridges and would of course never keep it engaged when near barges, stationary or otherwise. Rich Gano Calypso (1972 GB42) Panama City, FL https://sites.google.com/site/grandbanks42sale/ _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com
T
Tallen
Sat, May 30, 2015 2:43 PM

Several years ago while transiting the Adolphus Reach in the Bay of Quinte
on autopilot we slowed to let the ferry cross ahead of us in a typical rule
15 crossing situation.  Much to my surprise, the boat started  to follow the
ferry.  We were easily 200 from the vessel, yet the autopilot was affected.

T

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Macke
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 12:05 AM
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: GL: Autopilots and Bridges

I have a 29' homebuilt trawler and up until recently had been using a
autopilot that used the GPS for a heading sensor. Recently I upgraded to
a more refine unit (Raymarine EV-100) using an electronic compass for
heading have have been very pleased with the improvement. A couple weeks
ago is was passing through the canal between Kentucky and Barkley Lakes
while using the autopilot - something I have done dozens of times. I was
holding to the starboard side of the canal and was passing near one of
the large concrete bridge supports that are positioned on each side of
the channel. As I was directly beside it the autopilot suddenly pulled
hard to the starboard. Fortunately I was able to quickly disarm it and
swing back port before I ran into the shore but was very surprised by event.

I turned around and passed back by it 3 or 4 more times without the
pilot but watching the compass. I was surprised to see it swing over 90
degrees each time I passed by. Went to the center of the canal making
the supports an equal distance on each side and still saw a minor swing
of the compass. I am sure this has always happened but never noticed it
until the autopilot pointed me at the way too close rip rap covered
shoreline.

I am assuming there must have been enough metal in the bridge piling to
cause the variation but never would have thought it could produce a 90
plus degree compass swing. Is this the norm with a flux gate compass?

Ray Macke
http://www.egyptian.net/~raymacke/TG/TG01.html
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Several years ago while transiting the Adolphus Reach in the Bay of Quinte on autopilot we slowed to let the ferry cross ahead of us in a typical rule 15 crossing situation. Much to my surprise, the boat started to follow the ferry. We were easily 200 from the vessel, yet the autopilot was affected. T -----Original Message----- From: Ray Macke Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 12:05 AM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: GL: Autopilots and Bridges I have a 29' homebuilt trawler and up until recently had been using a autopilot that used the GPS for a heading sensor. Recently I upgraded to a more refine unit (Raymarine EV-100) using an electronic compass for heading have have been very pleased with the improvement. A couple weeks ago is was passing through the canal between Kentucky and Barkley Lakes while using the autopilot - something I have done dozens of times. I was holding to the starboard side of the canal and was passing near one of the large concrete bridge supports that are positioned on each side of the channel. As I was directly beside it the autopilot suddenly pulled hard to the starboard. Fortunately I was able to quickly disarm it and swing back port before I ran into the shore but was very surprised by event. I turned around and passed back by it 3 or 4 more times without the pilot but watching the compass. I was surprised to see it swing over 90 degrees each time I passed by. Went to the center of the canal making the supports an equal distance on each side and still saw a minor swing of the compass. I am sure this has always happened but never noticed it until the autopilot pointed me at the way too close rip rap covered shoreline. I am assuming there must have been enough metal in the bridge piling to cause the variation but never would have thought it could produce a 90 plus degree compass swing. Is this the norm with a flux gate compass? Ray Macke http://www.egyptian.net/~raymacke/TG/TG01.html <http://www.egyptian.net/%7Eraymacke/TG/TG01.html> _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
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allen
Sat, May 30, 2015 6:25 PM

And for those reasons when approaching a bridge I made it a practice

to disengage the autopilot or at least have my finger on the button to
put it into standby.

Wise words.

Every autopilot will fail or go off-line sometime.  It is not a question
of whether, but when, and all too often it happens when we are too close
something hazardous for comfort, if we are counting on them in close
quarters.

Autopilots will usually take you exactly where you ask to go (and that
can be a problem, too, if we are not paying attention), but when they
fail, they don't always beep or do anything except turn you towards a
rock or a shore or another boat.

> And for those reasons when approaching a bridge I made it a practice to disengage the autopilot or at least have my finger on the button to put it into standby. Wise words. Every autopilot will fail or go off-line sometime. It is not a question of whether, but when, and all too often it happens when we are too close something hazardous for comfort, if we are counting on them in close quarters. Autopilots will usually take you exactly where you ask to go (and that can be a problem, too, if we are not paying attention), but when they fail, they don't always beep or do anything except turn you towards a rock or a shore or another boat.
RM
Ray Macke
Sun, May 31, 2015 4:53 AM

I appreciate all the comments and I guess I have a few new things to
adjust in my autopilot usage. Just didn't expect the swing to be that
much.  If interested here is a video of the compass as I am passing.

http://s235.photobucket.com/user/raymacke/media/Various%20True%20Grits/20150514_145740_zpsfswey3om.mp4.html

On 5/30/2015 8:13 AM, Rich Gano wrote:

I have always made it a practice to disengage the autopilot when approaching
bridges and would of course never keep it engaged when near barges,
stationary or otherwise.

Rich Gano
Calypso (1972 GB42)
Panama City, FL
https://sites.google.com/site/grandbanks42sale/

I appreciate all the comments and I guess I have a few new things to adjust in my autopilot usage. Just didn't expect the swing to be that much. If interested here is a video of the compass as I am passing. http://s235.photobucket.com/user/raymacke/media/Various%20True%20Grits/20150514_145740_zpsfswey3om.mp4.html On 5/30/2015 8:13 AM, Rich Gano wrote: > I have always made it a practice to disengage the autopilot when approaching > bridges and would of course never keep it engaged when near barges, > stationary or otherwise. > > Rich Gano > Calypso (1972 GB42) > Panama City, FL > https://sites.google.com/site/grandbanks42sale/ > >