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Re: [PUP] Ice Dancer 01/04/07: Following the Peruvian and Chilean coast south

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Dave Cooper
Sat, Jan 13, 2007 2:17 PM

<Dick wrote: .... The AIS would pick up any ship within 50 miles.>

Georgs, if you are in touch with Ice Dancer can you confirm the AIS system
and antenna set-up that they are using to get the 50 mile range?

We are still struggling with to get a paltry 20 miles using a 9 db 23'
antenna with new cable/connectors, etc. This same set-up works fine with a
normal VHF and will reach out 15 miles with a 1 watt handheld attached to
it.

What ever they have, it must be a super set-up.

Cheers

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58
Puerto La Cruz
Venezuela

<Dick wrote: .... The AIS would pick up any ship within 50 miles.> Georgs, if you are in touch with Ice Dancer can you confirm the AIS system and antenna set-up that they are using to get the 50 mile range? We are still struggling with to get a paltry 20 miles using a 9 db 23' antenna with new cable/connectors, etc. This same set-up works fine with a normal VHF and will reach out 15 miles with a 1 watt handheld attached to it. What ever they have, it must be a super set-up. Cheers Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58 Puerto La Cruz Venezuela
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Mike Maurice
Sat, Jan 13, 2007 6:35 PM

The range of AIS is not set in stone. 50 miles is a bit of a stretch
under most conditions. However, I think I recall seeing a contact once
at 100 miles. Since the frequencies are near 170 mhz. the predictable
range is line of sight, antenna to antenna plus a little for some
bending around the earth's curvature.

Any time a contact shows up beyond that "predictable" distance it has to
be due to atmospherics, generally known as a tropospheric duct. At 170
mhz such ducts can be on the order of several hundred to a thousand
miles or so, especially in the tropics or semi tropics.

In a dry atmosphere, the range will almost always be limited to line of
sight.

Regards,
Mike


Capt. Mike Maurice
Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)

The range of AIS is not set in stone. 50 miles is a bit of a stretch under most conditions. However, I think I recall seeing a contact once at 100 miles. Since the frequencies are near 170 mhz. the predictable range is line of sight, antenna to antenna plus a little for some bending around the earth's curvature. Any time a contact shows up beyond that "predictable" distance it has to be due to atmospherics, generally known as a tropospheric duct. At 170 mhz such ducts can be on the order of several hundred to a thousand miles or so, especially in the tropics or semi tropics. In a dry atmosphere, the range will almost always be limited to line of sight. Regards, Mike _____________________________________ Capt. Mike Maurice Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)
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Sonaia Maryon-Davis
Sat, Jan 13, 2007 8:30 PM

Mike,

We have used AIS since May 2004 and the range is variable as you say.
We have seen targets at over 100 miles and other times targets have
been only 10 miles away.  Mostly we will see them 20-30 miles out but
the detailed data on them (name of ship, destination, MMSI number
etc.) may not be received outside a 20 mile range and sometimes half
that distance.

Hope all is well with you.

Chris

On 1/13/07, Mike Maurice mikem@yachtsdelivered.com wrote:

The range of AIS is not set in stone. 50 miles is a bit of a stretch
under most conditions. However, I think I recall seeing a contact once
at 100 miles. Since the frequencies are near 170 mhz. the predictable
range is line of sight, antenna to antenna plus a little for some
bending around the earth's curvature.

Any time a contact shows up beyond that "predictable" distance it has to
be due to atmospherics, generally known as a tropospheric duct. At 170
mhz such ducts can be on the order of several hundred to a thousand
miles or so, especially in the tropics or semi tropics.

In a dry atmosphere, the range will almost always be limited to line of
sight.

Regards,
Mike


Capt. Mike Maurice
Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)


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Mike, We have used AIS since May 2004 and the range is variable as you say. We have seen targets at over 100 miles and other times targets have been only 10 miles away. Mostly we will see them 20-30 miles out but the detailed data on them (name of ship, destination, MMSI number etc.) may not be received outside a 20 mile range and sometimes half that distance. Hope all is well with you. Chris On 1/13/07, Mike Maurice <mikem@yachtsdelivered.com> wrote: > The range of AIS is not set in stone. 50 miles is a bit of a stretch > under most conditions. However, I think I recall seeing a contact once > at 100 miles. Since the frequencies are near 170 mhz. the predictable > range is line of sight, antenna to antenna plus a little for some > bending around the earth's curvature. > > Any time a contact shows up beyond that "predictable" distance it has to > be due to atmospherics, generally known as a tropospheric duct. At 170 > mhz such ducts can be on the order of several hundred to a thousand > miles or so, especially in the tropics or semi tropics. > > In a dry atmosphere, the range will almost always be limited to line of > sight. > > > Regards, > Mike > > _____________________________________ > Capt. Mike Maurice > Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland) > _______________________________________________ > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. > > To be removed from the PUP list send an email with the > subject "unsubscribe" (no quotes) to the link below: > > mailto:passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com > > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List
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Mike Maurice
Sat, Jan 13, 2007 9:21 PM

We have used AIS since May 2004 and the range is variable as you say.
We have seen targets at over 100 miles and other times targets have
been only 10 miles away.  Mostly we will see them 20-30 miles out but
the detailed data on them (name of ship, destination, MMSI number
etc.) may not be received outside a 20 mile range and sometimes half
that distance.

The reception reports from you and from Dave all seem about what I have
noticed.
I would not expect consistent results better than what you have reported.

Regards,
Mike

> We have used AIS since May 2004 and the range is variable as you say. > We have seen targets at over 100 miles and other times targets have > been only 10 miles away. Mostly we will see them 20-30 miles out but > the detailed data on them (name of ship, destination, MMSI number > etc.) may not be received outside a 20 mile range and sometimes half > that distance. > The reception reports from you and from Dave all seem about what I have noticed. I would not expect consistent results better than what you have reported. Regards, Mike