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Re: GL: LOOKING FOR ADVICE

EB
Earl Beard
Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:07 PM

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013, Earl wrote:

You must have had an usual cat.  I took my Fountained-pajot across the
Atlantic and motored for days on one engine with no difficulty. Switched
engines from time to time. Low fuel consumption, 4.5 kts, cold drinks
because constant electricity.
On another trip from Maine to NC I lost an engine and was able to
maneuver in marinas -carefully.

Earl
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 12, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Stephen Petranek petranek@aol.com wrote:

Having lost an engine on a chartered cat in the Bahamas in calm seas but

far from land, I can tell you that cats cannot be steered with one engine.
The rudders aren't enough to counteract the off-center force, so they just
go round in circles. I've tried this with both motor cats and sail cats. In
fact, every time I get on one I start one engine to see if I can find a
design that doesn't do this. So far, no go. Thus, one of the primary
apparent benefits--twin engines for redundancy--seems to be a myth.

Steve Petranek
S/V "Bayla" Passport 470

On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Joseph Pica wrote:

I ran a couple of cats to include a PDQ they are nice but some have

severe

access restrictions.  Some cats require the stern of the amas to be

raised

which give good access to engines however consider doing that in any

kind of

sea state.  Others have equipment buried under the beds. The other issue
with them is that they can be more weight sensitive then a full

displacement

boat. The more you load them the deeper they draft and the shorter the
clearance to the bridge deck from the water. If loaded enough the bridge
deck can get slapped (very annoying and loud) in short steep seas when

there

is not enough reserve buoyancy in the forward amas because of loading.

Their

speed and efficiencies fall off...still good though.  This was more of a
problem with the earlier models based purely on sailing cat hulls.  The

more

recent designs from the ground up as power cats are much better.  The

other

problem is in dock space.  Very few marina have slips wide enough to
accommodate a cats beam and will turn you away unless they have an

available

face dock or t head.  Heck, at our 16' we have issues sometimes.  Cats
handle very well but all boats are have some compromise.

Joe

M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On

Behalf

Of Bob McLeran
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:52 PM
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: GL: LOOKING FOR ADVICE

Along with all the other things that have been discussed regarding a
good boat for cruising (I think limiting your search to a "loop boat" is
a mistake), don't forget to check on the difficulty/ease of maintenance.
Not all cats are created equal in that regard.

As much as I like catamarans (and trimarans, for that matter), I've seen
some 40+ foot cats that stow the engines near the aft end of the amas
and require you to lie on top of them (think warm engine here) to do so
little as to check the oil.

Living space is one thing; space to perform ordinary maintenance is
another check list item.

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On 3/12/2013 4:53 PM, Paige & Mike Caldwell wrote:

Do yourself a favor and take a look at a cruising catamaran.  A PDQ or

an

Endeav

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013, Earl wrote: > You must have had an usual cat. I took my Fountained-pajot across the > Atlantic and motored for days on one engine with no difficulty. Switched > engines from time to time. Low fuel consumption, 4.5 kts, cold drinks > because constant electricity. > On another trip from Maine to NC I lost an engine and was able to > maneuver in marinas -carefully. > > Earl > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Stephen Petranek <petranek@aol.com> wrote: > > > Having lost an engine on a chartered cat in the Bahamas in calm seas but > far from land, I can tell you that cats cannot be steered with one engine. > The rudders aren't enough to counteract the off-center force, so they just > go round in circles. I've tried this with both motor cats and sail cats. In > fact, every time I get on one I start one engine to see if I can find a > design that doesn't do this. So far, no go. Thus, one of the primary > apparent benefits--twin engines for redundancy--seems to be a myth. > > > > Steve Petranek > > S/V "Bayla" Passport 470 > > > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Joseph Pica wrote: > > > >> I ran a couple of cats to include a PDQ they are nice but some have > severe > >> access restrictions. Some cats require the stern of the amas to be > raised > >> which give good access to engines however consider doing that in any > kind of > >> sea state. Others have equipment buried under the beds. The other issue > >> with them is that they can be more weight sensitive then a full > displacement > >> boat. The more you load them the deeper they draft and the shorter the > >> clearance to the bridge deck from the water. If loaded enough the bridge > >> deck can get slapped (very annoying and loud) in short steep seas when > there > >> is not enough reserve buoyancy in the forward amas because of loading. > Their > >> speed and efficiencies fall off...still good though. This was more of a > >> problem with the earlier models based purely on sailing cat hulls. The > more > >> recent designs from the ground up as power cats are much better. The > other > >> problem is in dock space. Very few marina have slips wide enough to > >> accommodate a cats beam and will turn you away unless they have an > available > >> face dock or t head. Heck, at our 16' we have issues sometimes. Cats > >> handle very well but all boats are have some compromise. > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37 > >> MTOA# 3813 > >> AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper) > >> http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/ > >> Joseph.pica@gmail.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On > Behalf > >> Of Bob McLeran > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:52 PM > >> To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com > >> Subject: Re: GL: LOOKING FOR ADVICE > >> > >> Along with all the other things that have been discussed regarding a > >> good boat for cruising (I think limiting your search to a "loop boat" is > >> a mistake), don't forget to check on the difficulty/ease of maintenance. > >> Not all cats are created equal in that regard. > >> > >> As much as I like catamarans (and trimarans, for that matter), I've seen > >> some 40+ foot cats that stow the engines near the aft end of the amas > >> and require you to lie on top of them (think warm engine here) to do so > >> little as to check the oil. > >> > >> Living space is one thing; space to perform ordinary maintenance is > >> another check list item. > >> > >> <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> > >> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina > >> MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base > >> DeFever 41 Trawler Satellite Beach, Florida > >> Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog > >> Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ > >> > >> On 3/12/2013 4:53 PM, Paige & Mike Caldwell wrote: > >>> Do yourself a favor and take a look at a cruising catamaran. A PDQ or > an > >>> Endeav