Power Catamaran List, I find that hard to believe, I am the owner of a Maryland 37 which has a BCDE rating and I don't believe that either. How can a vessel that has no mechanical attachments between the hulls and the deck receive that kind of rating ? Also the hull material is so thin it seems that it would disintegrate when it hit anything or would come apart. Unhappy owner, Michael Michael, As Roger Bingham says the RCD rating is mainly about stability. However the UK MCA requirements to commercially certify a boat for a Cat 2 (60 miles offshore with 12 passengers) are very stringent and involve ensuring that generally the boat is 'fit (and safe) for purpose'. This includes an out of water hull and construction survey and examination of the actual RCD certification data from the factory tests as well as a host of other checks and tests. She passed with flying colours and there were only 5 minor problems - the main one being height of the cockpit rails in the transom without covers being insufficient (easily fixed with removeable safety line). Hope that reassures you! regards Ian Ian Fisher Operations Director Phone:+44(0)1934 836960 Fax:+44(0)1934 643267 QED Advanced Systems Limited 18/19 Bridgwater Court, Oldmixon Crescent, Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, BS24 9AY, UK www.qedas.com QED News - Meeting Monitor (M2) system launch We are pleased to announce the launch of the QED Meeting Monitor (M2) system. This is an application that leverages the standard Lotus Notes Resource Reservation system and enables real-time information for each meeting room to be displayed on a colour coded LCD display outside each room. This provides improved visibility of meeting room availability, better usage of room resources and allows free rooms to be instantly utilised for impromptu meetings. With a low cost hardware requirement and use of standard network cabling this is a simple installation that will quickly pay for itself. For a brochure click on this link http://www.qedas.com/m2 or give us a call on 01934 836960 and ask for Peter Liddle or Ian Fisher. Mail Signature by Contact QED today for more details ***************************************************************************** * Monitoring/Viruses QED may monitor all incoming and outgoing emails in line with current legislation. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. QED Advanced Systems Ltd. is registered in England No 691979760, located at 18-19 Bridgwater Court, Oldmixon Crescent, Weston-super-Mare, North Somerset BS24 9AY, UK. Telephone 0044 (0)1934 836960. ***************************************************************************** * [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif]

Michael, I also am surprised about your discontent with the F-P catas. I have always heard well of them, and have not heard of any unpleasant occurrences (such as those unfortunate mishaps which occurred to Geminis from time to time). Is the hull material really so thin compared to other boats? In short, I am amazed. Is your dispute with F-P quality or with a dealer? Regards, Rupert. On 4 Jan 2008, at 09:49, ian.fisher@qedas.com wrote: > Power Catamaran List, > I find that hard to believe, > I am the > owner of a Maryland 37 which has a > BCDE rating and I don't believe that > either. How can a > vessel that has no mechanical attachments between the > hulls > and the deck receive that kind of rating ? Also > the hull material is so thin > it seems that it would > disintegrate when it hit anything or would come apart. > Unhappy owner, > Michael > > Michael, > > As Roger > Bingham says the RCD rating is mainly about stability. However > the UK MCA > requirements to commercially certify a boat for a Cat 2 (60 > miles offshore > with 12 passengers) are very stringent and involve ensuring > that generally > the boat is 'fit (and safe) for purpose'. This includes an > out of water hull > and construction survey and examination of the actual > RCD certification data > from the factory tests as well as a host of other > checks and tests. She > passed with flying colours and there were only 5 > minor problems - the main > one being height of the cockpit rails in the > transom without covers being > insufficient (easily fixed with removeable > safety line). > > Hope that reassures > you! > > regards > > Ian > Ian Fisher > Operations Director > Phone:+44(0)1934 836960 > Fax:+44(0)1934 643267 > QED Advanced Systems Limited > 18/19 Bridgwater Court, > Oldmixon Crescent, > Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, BS24 9AY, UK > www.qedas.com > QED News - Meeting Monitor (M2) system launch > We are pleased to announce the > launch of the QED Meeting Monitor (M2) system. > This is an application that > leverages the standard Lotus Notes Resource > Reservation system and enables > real-time information for each meeting room to > be displayed on a colour coded > LCD display outside each room. This provides > improved visibility of meeting > room availability, better usage of room > resources and allows free rooms to be > instantly utilised for impromptu meetings. > > With a low cost hardware > requirement and use of standard network cabling this > is a simple installation > that will quickly pay for itself. For a brochure click > on this link > http://www.qedas.com/m2 or give us a call on 01934 836960 and ask > for Peter > Liddle or Ian Fisher. > Mail Signature by Contact QED today for more details > > > > ********************************************************************** > ******* > * > Monitoring/Viruses > QED may monitor all incoming and outgoing emails in line with current > legislation. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email > and > attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with > good > computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually > virus free. > > QED Advanced Systems Ltd. is registered in England No 691979760, > located at 18-19 Bridgwater Court, Oldmixon Crescent, Weston-super- > Mare, > North Somerset BS24 9AY, UK. > Telephone 0044 (0)1934 836960. > ********************************************************************** > ******* > * > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List

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--- gram rupert <gramario@tin.it> wrote: > Michael, > I also am surprised about your discontent with the > F-P catas. I have > always heard well of them, and have not heard of any > unpleasant > occurrences (such as those unfortunate mishaps which > occurred to > Geminis from time to time). Is the hull material > really so thin > compared to other boats? In short, I am amazed. > Is your dispute with F-P quality or with a dealer? > Regards, > Rupert. > Gram Rupert, My major problem has been with F-P and the quality of the boat and the lack of factory backup to repair what was supposed to be a new boat. The hull material is so thin that light comes thru even in areas that have a material liner on the interior. The fit and finish is poor and inconsistent. The dealer has walked away from the boat and assumes no responsibility at all. F-P even states that they do not sell boats in the U.S. and that in itself is a joke. I am working with an attorney but the U.S. court system is slow and tedious and F-P denies that they do business in the states so this is becoming a nightmare. Michael > On 4 Jan 2008, at 09:49, ian.fisher@qedas.com wrote: > > > Power Catamaran List, > > I find that hard to believe, > > I am the > > owner of a Maryland 37 which has a > > BCDE rating and I don't believe that > > either. How can a > > vessel that has no mechanical attachments between > the > > hulls > > and the deck receive that kind of rating ? Also > > the hull material is so thin > > it seems that it would > > disintegrate when it hit anything or would come > apart. > > Unhappy owner, > > Michael > > > > Michael, > > > > As Roger > > Bingham says the RCD rating is mainly about > stability. However > > the UK MCA > > requirements to commercially certify a boat for a > Cat 2 (60 > > miles offshore > > with 12 passengers) are very stringent and involve > ensuring > > that generally > > the boat is 'fit (and safe) for purpose'. This > includes an > > out of water hull > > and construction survey and examination of the > actual > > RCD certification data > > from the factory tests as well as a host of other > > checks and tests. She > > passed with flying colours and there were only 5 > > minor problems - the main > > one being height of the cockpit rails in the > > transom without covers being > > insufficient (easily fixed with removeable > > safety line). > > > > Hope that reassures > > you! > > > > regards > > > > Ian > > Ian Fisher > > Operations Director > > Phone:+44(0)1934 836960 > > Fax:+44(0)1934 643267 > > QED Advanced Systems Limited > > 18/19 Bridgwater Court, > > Oldmixon Crescent, > > Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, BS24 9AY, UK > > www.qedas.com > > QED News - Meeting Monitor (M2) system launch > > We are pleased to announce the > > launch of the QED Meeting Monitor (M2) system. > > This is an application that > > leverages the standard Lotus Notes Resource > > Reservation system and enables > > real-time information for each meeting room to > > be displayed on a colour coded > > LCD display outside each room. This provides > > improved visibility of meeting > > room availability, better usage of room > > resources and allows free rooms to be > > instantly utilised for impromptu meetings. > > > > With a low cost hardware > > requirement and use of standard network cabling > this > > is a simple installation > > that will quickly pay for itself. For a brochure > click > > on this link > > http://www.qedas.com/m2 or give us a call on 01934 > 836960 and ask > > for Peter > > Liddle or Ian Fisher. > > Mail Signature by Contact QED today for more > details > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > ******* > > * > > Monitoring/Viruses > > QED may monitor all incoming and outgoing emails > in line with current > > legislation. Although we have taken steps to > ensure that this email > > and > > attachments are free from any virus, we advise > that in keeping with > > good > > computing practice the recipient should ensure > they are actually > > virus free. > > > > QED Advanced Systems Ltd. is registered in England > No 691979760, > > located at 18-19 Bridgwater Court, Oldmixon > Crescent, Weston-super- > > Mare, > > North Somerset BS24 9AY, UK. > > Telephone 0044 (0)1934 836960. > > > ********************************************************************** > > > ******* > > * > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > image/gif] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > image/gif] > > _______________________________________________ > > Power-Catamaran Mailing List > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Hi Michael, Would have preferred to write direct as we are getting OT here, bt I see you don't post an e-mail address. Just wanted to add that I see from F-P's site that they do sell in the US. See: http://www.fountaine-pajot.com/New-models-exhibited-in-the-USA.html Rupert. On 4 Jan 2008, at 11:02, Design Assoc. & AquaKlear wrote: > --- gram rupert <gramario@tin.it> wrote: > >> Michael, >> I also am surprised about your discontent with the >> F-P catas. I have >> always heard well of them, and have not heard of any >> unpleasant >> occurrences (such as those unfortunate mishaps which >> occurred to >> Geminis from time to time). Is the hull material >> really so thin >> compared to other boats? In short, I am amazed. >> Is your dispute with F-P quality or with a dealer? >> Regards, >> Rupert. >> > Gram Rupert, > My major problem has been with F-P and the > quality of the boat and the lack of factory backup to > repair what was supposed to be a new boat. The hull > material is so thin that light comes thru even in > areas that have a material liner on the interior. The > fit and finish is poor and inconsistent. The dealer > has walked away from the boat and assumes no > responsibility at all. F-P even states that they do > not sell boats in the U.S. and that in itself is a > joke. I am working with an attorney but the U.S. court > system is slow and tedious and F-P denies that they do > business in the states so this is becoming a > nightmare. > Michael >> On 4 Jan 2008, at 09:49, ian.fisher@qedas.com wrote: >> >>> Power Catamaran List, >>> I find that hard to believe, >>> I am the >>> owner of a Maryland 37 which has a >>> BCDE rating and I don't believe that >>> either. How can a >>> vessel that has no mechanical attachments between >> the >>> hulls >>> and the deck receive that kind of rating ? Also >>> the hull material is so thin >>> it seems that it would >>> disintegrate when it hit anything or would come >> apart. >>> Unhappy owner, >>> Michael >>> >>> Michael, >>> >>> As Roger >>> Bingham says the RCD rating is mainly about >> stability. However >>> the UK MCA >>> requirements to commercially certify a boat for a >> Cat 2 (60 >>> miles offshore >>> with 12 passengers) are very stringent and involve >> ensuring >>> that generally >>> the boat is 'fit (and safe) for purpose'. This >> includes an >>> out of water hull >>> and construction survey and examination of the >> actual >>> RCD certification data >>> from the factory tests as well as a host of other >>> checks and tests. She >>> passed with flying colours and there were only 5 >>> minor problems - the main >>> one being height of the cockpit rails in the >>> transom without covers being >>> insufficient (easily fixed with removeable >>> safety line). >>> >>> Hope that reassures >>> you! >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Ian >>> Ian Fisher >>> Operations Director >>> Phone:+44(0)1934 836960 >>> Fax:+44(0)1934 643267 >>> QED Advanced Systems Limited >>> 18/19 Bridgwater Court, >>> Oldmixon Crescent, >>> Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, BS24 9AY, UK >>> www.qedas.com >>> QED News - Meeting Monitor (M2) system launch >>> We are pleased to announce the >>> launch of the QED Meeting Monitor (M2) system. >>> This is an application that >>> leverages the standard Lotus Notes Resource >>> Reservation system and enables >>> real-time information for each meeting room to >>> be displayed on a colour coded >>> LCD display outside each room. This provides >>> improved visibility of meeting >>> room availability, better usage of room >>> resources and allows free rooms to be >>> instantly utilised for impromptu meetings. >>> >>> With a low cost hardware >>> requirement and use of standard network cabling >> this >>> is a simple installation >>> that will quickly pay for itself. For a brochure >> click >>> on this link >>> http://www.qedas.com/m2 or give us a call on 01934 >> 836960 and ask >>> for Peter >>> Liddle or Ian Fisher. >>> Mail Signature by Contact QED today for more >> details >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ********************************************************************** >> >>> ******* >>> * >>> Monitoring/Viruses >>> QED may monitor all incoming and outgoing emails >> in line with current >>> legislation. Although we have taken steps to >> ensure that this email >>> and >>> attachments are free from any virus, we advise >> that in keeping with >>> good >>> computing practice the recipient should ensure >> they are actually >>> virus free. >>> >>> QED Advanced Systems Ltd. is registered in England >> No 691979760, >>> located at 18-19 Bridgwater Court, Oldmixon >> Crescent, Weston-super- >>> Mare, >>> North Somerset BS24 9AY, UK. >>> Telephone 0044 (0)1934 836960. >>> >> > ********************************************************************** >> >>> ******* >>> * >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type >> image/gif] >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type >> image/gif] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Power-Catamaran Mailing List >> _______________________________________________ >> Power-Catamaran Mailing List >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! 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--- gram rupert <gramario@tin.it> wrote: > Hi Michael, > Would have preferred to write direct as we are > getting OT here, bt I > see you don't post an e-mail address. > Just wanted to add that I see from F-P's site that > they do sell in > the US. > See: > http://www.fountaine-pajot.com/New-models-exhibited-in-the-USA.html > Rupert. > G. Rupert, I'm sorry about that. I forgot that this was on the cat-list. My e-mail address is mlkdesign@yahoo.com. I am aware of this but it has to be brought to the courts attention before anything more can happen for me with F-P. Michael > > > On 4 Jan 2008, at 11:02, Design Assoc. & AquaKlear > wrote: > > > --- gram rupert <gramario@tin.it> wrote: > > > >> Michael, > >> I also am surprised about your discontent with > the > >> F-P catas. I have > >> always heard well of them, and have not heard of > any > >> unpleasant > >> occurrences (such as those unfortunate mishaps > which > >> occurred to > >> Geminis from time to time). Is the hull material > >> really so thin > >> compared to other boats? In short, I am amazed. > >> Is your dispute with F-P quality or with a > dealer? > >> Regards, > >> Rupert. > >> > > Gram Rupert, > > My major problem has been with F-P and > the > > quality of the boat and the lack of factory backup > to > > repair what was supposed to be a new boat. The > hull > > material is so thin that light comes thru even in > > areas that have a material liner on the interior. > The > > fit and finish is poor and inconsistent. The > dealer > > has walked away from the boat and assumes no > > responsibility at all. F-P even states that they > do > > not sell boats in the U.S. and that in itself is a > > joke. I am working with an attorney but the U.S. > court > > system is slow and tedious and F-P denies that > they do > > business in the states so this is becoming a > > nightmare. > > Michael > >> On 4 Jan 2008, at 09:49, ian.fisher@qedas.com > wrote: > >> > >>> Power Catamaran List, > >>> I find that hard to believe, > >>> I am the > >>> owner of a Maryland 37 which has a > >>> BCDE rating and I don't believe that > >>> either. How can a > >>> vessel that has no mechanical attachments > between > >> the > >>> hulls > >>> and the deck receive that kind of rating ? Also > >>> the hull material is so thin > >>> it seems that it would > >>> disintegrate when it hit anything or would come > >> apart. > >>> Unhappy owner, > >>> Michael > >>> > >>> Michael, > >>> > >>> As Roger > >>> Bingham says the RCD rating is mainly about > >> stability. However > >>> the UK MCA > >>> requirements to commercially certify a boat for > a > >> Cat 2 (60 > >>> miles offshore > >>> with 12 passengers) are very stringent and > involve > >> ensuring > >>> that generally > >>> the boat is 'fit (and safe) for purpose'. This > >> includes an > >>> out of water hull > >>> and construction survey and examination of the > >> actual > >>> RCD certification data > >>> from the factory tests as well as a host of > other > >>> checks and tests. She > >>> passed with flying colours and there were only 5 > >>> minor problems - the main > >>> one being height of the cockpit rails in the > >>> transom without covers being > >>> insufficient (easily fixed with removeable > >>> safety line). > >>> > >>> Hope that reassures > >>> you! > >>> > >>> regards > >>> > >>> Ian > >>> Ian Fisher > >>> Operations Director > >>> Phone:+44(0)1934 836960 > >>> Fax:+44(0)1934 643267 > >>> QED Advanced Systems Limited > >>> 18/19 Bridgwater Court, > >>> Oldmixon Crescent, > >>> Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, BS24 9AY, UK > >>> www.qedas.com > >>> QED News - Meeting Monitor (M2) system launch > >>> We are pleased to announce the > >>> launch of the QED Meeting Monitor (M2) system. > >>> This is an application that > >>> leverages the standard Lotus Notes Resource > >>> Reservation system and enables > >>> real-time information for each meeting room to > >>> be displayed on a colour coded > >>> LCD display outside each room. This provides > >>> improved visibility of meeting > >>> room availability, better usage of room > >>> resources and allows free rooms to be > >>> instantly utilised for impromptu meetings. > >>> > >>> With a low cost hardware > >>> requirement and use of standard network cabling > >> this > >>> is a simple installation > >>> that will quickly pay for itself. For a brochure > >> click > >>> on this link > >>> http://www.qedas.com/m2 or give us a call on > 01934 > >> 836960 and ask > >>> for Peter > >>> Liddle or Ian Fisher. > >>> Mail Signature by Contact QED today for more > >> details > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > ********************************************************************** > >> > >>> ******* > >>> * > >>> Monitoring/Viruses > >>> QED may monitor all incoming and outgoing emails > >> in line with current > >>> legislation. 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