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BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Apr 24, 2010 12:36 PM

Hi

.... I think I was the one going to do that ... back in the mid 1980's ... Based on progress to date, I don't think it will be here any time soon ...

Bob

On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

There was somebody going to write a Linux version but he's not very reliable. Who was that ... I keep forgetting ....

Bob

On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote:

On 04/23/2010 11:06 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

Stable-32 is a great program.

To my knowledge it only runs on Windows...

Cheers,
Magnus


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Hi .... I think I was the one going to do that ... back in the mid 1980's ... Based on progress to date, I don't think it will be here any time soon ... Bob On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > There was somebody going to write a Linux version but he's not very reliable. Who was that ... I keep forgetting .... > > Bob > > > On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > >> On 04/23/2010 11:06 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Stable-32 is a great program. >> >> To my knowledge it only runs on Windows... >> >> Cheers, >> Magnus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
MD
Magnus Danielson
Sat, Apr 24, 2010 1:22 PM

On 04/24/2010 02:36 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

.... I think I was the one going to do that ... back in the mid 1980's ... Based on progress to date, I don't think it will be here any time soon ...

Well, I have been spending some time to implement several of the
algorithms. There are many pieces to the puzzle thought. The stuff I
have written lately is more to prove algorithmic correctness and lacks
input tau0, provided sequences of data (assumes the fixed location and
all that) and also a lot of supporting transformations and processing.
I fill in the blanks every now and then.

For my own sake, I don't invest in programs that forces me to run an
operating system I don't want to run and depend on. If I have to write
the code myself, then that happens to support my wish to learn the field
even deeper. This set of priorities may or may not coincide with other
peoples choices.

NIST SP 1065 is a good starter for anyone wishing to do their own coding.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 04/24/2010 02:36 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > .... I think I was the one going to do that ... back in the mid 1980's ... Based on progress to date, I don't think it will be here any time soon ... Well, I have been spending some time to implement several of the algorithms. There are many pieces to the puzzle thought. The stuff I have written lately is more to prove algorithmic correctness and lacks input tau0, provided sequences of data (assumes the fixed location and all that) and also a lot of supporting transformations and processing. I fill in the blanks every now and then. For my own sake, I don't invest in programs that forces me to run an operating system I don't want to run and depend on. If I have to write the code myself, then that happens to support my wish to learn the field even deeper. This set of priorities may or may not coincide with other peoples choices. NIST SP 1065 is a good starter for anyone wishing to do their own coding. Cheers, Magnus
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Apr 24, 2010 1:46 PM

Hi

I seem to vaguely recall there being a fairly specific commitment being discussed in my case. More or less porting the same code base over to something like Red Hat (this was the 1980's). One of many projects that never really got off the ground.

Bob

On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote:

On 04/24/2010 02:36 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

.... I think I was the one going to do that ... back in the mid 1980's ... Based on progress to date, I don't think it will be here any time soon ...

Well, I have been spending some time to implement several of the algorithms. There are many pieces to the puzzle thought. The stuff I have written lately is more to prove algorithmic correctness and lacks input tau0, provided sequences of data (assumes the fixed location and all that) and also a lot of supporting transformations and processing.
I fill in the blanks every now and then.

For my own sake, I don't invest in programs that forces me to run an operating system I don't want to run and depend on. If I have to write the code myself, then that happens to support my wish to learn the field even deeper. This set of priorities may or may not coincide with other peoples choices.

NIST SP 1065 is a good starter for anyone wishing to do their own coding.

Cheers,
Magnus


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Hi I seem to vaguely recall there being a fairly specific commitment being discussed in my case. More or less porting the same code base over to something like Red Hat (this was the 1980's). One of many projects that never really got off the ground. Bob On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > On 04/24/2010 02:36 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> .... I think I was the one going to do that ... back in the mid 1980's ... Based on progress to date, I don't think it will be here any time soon ... > > Well, I have been spending some time to implement several of the algorithms. There are many pieces to the puzzle thought. The stuff I have written lately is more to prove algorithmic correctness and lacks input tau0, provided sequences of data (assumes the fixed location and all that) and also a lot of supporting transformations and processing. > I fill in the blanks every now and then. > > For my own sake, I don't invest in programs that forces me to run an operating system I don't want to run and depend on. If I have to write the code myself, then that happens to support my wish to learn the field even deeper. This set of priorities may or may not coincide with other peoples choices. > > NIST SP 1065 is a good starter for anyone wishing to do their own coding. > > Cheers, > Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
MD
Magnus Danielson
Sat, Apr 24, 2010 1:53 PM

On 04/24/2010 03:46 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

I seem to vaguely recall there being a fairly specific commitment being discussed in my case. More or less porting the same code base over to something like Red Hat (this was the 1980's). One of many projects that never really got off the ground.

Porting to RedHat in the 80thies would have required somewhat of a
time-warp machine as Linux itself happen in the 90thies.

By todays standard the Debian distribution and its relatives (Ubuntu)
dominates, so going to RedHat now is out of fashion. If you can get it
to work on Debian, then it should work more or less everywhere else.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 04/24/2010 03:46 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > I seem to vaguely recall there being a fairly specific commitment being discussed in my case. More or less porting the same code base over to something like Red Hat (this was the 1980's). One of many projects that never really got off the ground. Porting to RedHat in the 80thies would have required somewhat of a time-warp machine as Linux itself happen in the 90thies. By todays standard the Debian distribution and its relatives (Ubuntu) dominates, so going to RedHat now is out of fashion. If you can get it to work on Debian, then it should work more or less everywhere else. Cheers, Magnus
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Apr 24, 2010 1:57 PM

Hi

Hmmm, good point.

The port must have been to something other than Linux.

Bob

On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote:

On 04/24/2010 03:46 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

I seem to vaguely recall there being a fairly specific commitment being discussed in my case. More or less porting the same code base over to something like Red Hat (this was the 1980's). One of many projects that never really got off the ground.

Porting to RedHat in the 80thies would have required somewhat of a time-warp machine as Linux itself happen in the 90thies.

By todays standard the Debian distribution and its relatives (Ubuntu) dominates, so going to RedHat now is out of fashion. If you can get it to work on Debian, then it should work more or less everywhere else.

Cheers,
Magnus


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Hi Hmmm, good point. The port must have been to something other than Linux. Bob On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > On 04/24/2010 03:46 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> I seem to vaguely recall there being a fairly specific commitment being discussed in my case. More or less porting the same code base over to something like Red Hat (this was the 1980's). One of many projects that never really got off the ground. > > Porting to RedHat in the 80thies would have required somewhat of a time-warp machine as Linux itself happen in the 90thies. > > By todays standard the Debian distribution and its relatives (Ubuntu) dominates, so going to RedHat now is out of fashion. If you can get it to work on Debian, then it should work more or less everywhere else. > > Cheers, > Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
MD
Magnus Danielson
Sat, Apr 24, 2010 2:39 PM

On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

Hmmm, good point.

The port must have been to something other than Linux.

One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other
flavours of UNIX.

I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on
is now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial
UNIXes.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Hmmm, good point. > > The port must have been to something other than Linux. One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other flavours of UNIX. I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on is now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial UNIXes. Cheers, Magnus
SR
Steve Rooke
Sun, Apr 25, 2010 8:55 AM

On 25 April 2010 02:39, Magnus Danielson magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote:

On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

Hmmm, good point.

The port must have been to something other than Linux.

One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other flavours
of UNIX.

I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on is
now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial UNIXes.

Unix will never die! They said it was going to die in the 80's but
it's still going strong in some form or another, or imitated,
embedded, pervasive, a survivor. What's more the ones you think are
deceased are still being used out there by small and large groups of
people who just won't let it die, they'll have to prise it out of
their cold dead hands. Why, well people swear by it, all the other OS'
people just swear at them (well at least one OS I can think of :)

Cheers,
Steve

Cheers,
Magnus


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On 25 April 2010 02:39, Magnus Danielson <magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: > On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> Hmmm, good point. >> >> The port must have been to something other than Linux. > > One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other flavours > of UNIX. > > I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on is > now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial UNIXes. Unix will never die! They said it was going to die in the 80's but it's still going strong in some form or another, or imitated, embedded, pervasive, a survivor. What's more the ones you think are deceased are still being used out there by small and large groups of people who just won't let it die, they'll have to prise it out of their cold dead hands. Why, well people swear by it, all the other OS' people just swear at them (well at least one OS I can think of :) Cheers, Steve > Cheers, > Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure.
BC
Bob Camp
Sun, Apr 25, 2010 11:40 AM

Hi

I really wish I'd kept labels off of the 9 track tapes that Western Electric shipped us in 1974 after I spent 6 months doing paperwork to get our original copy. Unix has been free for a long time. It's not always been "easily available". If I still had a PDP-11 in the living room the tapes them selves might be of some use. The only minor point being that I never had a 9 track tape drive here at home. I always found it strange that they distributed it on 9 track rather than DEC Tape.

Bob

On Apr 25, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Steve Rooke wrote:

On 25 April 2010 02:39, Magnus Danielson magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote:

On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

Hmmm, good point.

The port must have been to something other than Linux.

One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other flavours
of UNIX.

I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on is
now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial UNIXes.

Unix will never die! They said it was going to die in the 80's but
it's still going strong in some form or another, or imitated,
embedded, pervasive, a survivor. What's more the ones you think are
deceased are still being used out there by small and large groups of
people who just won't let it die, they'll have to prise it out of
their cold dead hands. Why, well people swear by it, all the other OS'
people just swear at them (well at least one OS I can think of :)

Cheers,
Steve

Cheers,
Magnus


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Hi I *really* wish I'd kept labels off of the 9 track tapes that Western Electric shipped us in 1974 after I spent 6 months doing paperwork to get our original copy. Unix has been free for a long time. It's not always been "easily available". If I still had a PDP-11 in the living room the tapes them selves might be of some use. The only minor point being that I never had a 9 track tape drive here at home. I always found it strange that they distributed it on 9 track rather than DEC Tape. Bob On Apr 25, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: > On 25 April 2010 02:39, Magnus Danielson <magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: >> On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Hmmm, good point. >>> >>> The port must have been to something other than Linux. >> >> One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other flavours >> of UNIX. >> >> I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on is >> now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial UNIXes. > > Unix will never die! They said it was going to die in the 80's but > it's still going strong in some form or another, or imitated, > embedded, pervasive, a survivor. What's more the ones you think are > deceased are still being used out there by small and large groups of > people who just won't let it die, they'll have to prise it out of > their cold dead hands. Why, well people swear by it, all the other OS' > people just swear at them (well at least one OS I can think of :) > > Cheers, > Steve > >> Cheers, >> Magnus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > > -- > Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD > A man with one clock knows what time it is; > A man with two clocks is never quite sure. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Poul-Henning Kamp
Sun, Apr 25, 2010 11:47 AM

In message 116CF051-7BE6-4F8F-91CC-7CEE18ECF3F2@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes:

I really wish I'd kept labels off of the 9 track tapes that
Western Electric shipped us in 1974 after I spent 6 months doing
paperwork to get our original copy. Unix has been free for a long
time. It's not always been "easily available".

These day it is:

ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/

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Poul-Henning Kamp      | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG        | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer      | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

In message <116CF051-7BE6-4F8F-91CC-7CEE18ECF3F2@rtty.us>, Bob Camp writes: >I *really* wish I'd kept labels off of the 9 track tapes that >Western Electric shipped us in 1974 after I spent 6 months doing >paperwork to get our original copy. Unix has been free for a long >time. It's not always been "easily available". These day it is: ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
BC
Bob Camp
Sun, Apr 25, 2010 11:59 AM

Hi

Back then our "net" (ARPA net) connection didn't get us to very many places. One of them, ummm, errrrr, did indeed  have a copy of what we were looking for. Not quite point and click to get it, but close.

I guess I should have said "it hasn't always been easily available legally."

Bob

On Apr 25, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

In message 116CF051-7BE6-4F8F-91CC-7CEE18ECF3F2@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes:

I really wish I'd kept labels off of the 9 track tapes that
Western Electric shipped us in 1974 after I spent 6 months doing
paperwork to get our original copy. Unix has been free for a long
time. It's not always been "easily available".

These day it is:

ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/

--
Poul-Henning Kamp      | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG        | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer      | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.


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Hi Back then our "net" (ARPA net) connection didn't get us to very many places. One of them, ummm, errrrr, did indeed have a copy of what we were looking for. Not quite point and click to get it, but close. I guess I should have said "it hasn't always been easily available *legally*." Bob On Apr 25, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <116CF051-7BE6-4F8F-91CC-7CEE18ECF3F2@rtty.us>, Bob Camp writes: > >> I *really* wish I'd kept labels off of the 9 track tapes that >> Western Electric shipped us in 1974 after I spent 6 months doing >> paperwork to get our original copy. Unix has been free for a long >> time. It's not always been "easily available". > > These day it is: > > ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/ > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >