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Overpayment of town employee

LB
Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq.
Thu, Jun 23, 2022 4:25 PM

Good morning all:

A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects.

Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive?

I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day.

Lloyd Brent Palmer
PALMER LAW
1609 Arlington
Ada, OK 74820
(405) 496-1154
CallPalmer.com

Good morning all: A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects. Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive? I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day. Lloyd Brent Palmer PALMER LAW 1609 Arlington Ada, OK 74820 (405) 496-1154 CallPalmer.com
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Douglas, Amy G
Thu, Jun 23, 2022 4:37 PM

I think you'd want to make sure to avoid any argument that your town's made an unconstitutional "gift" to this employee.  Perhaps you take  resolution for your board to approve that provides that this employee has worked in excess of required work hours, etc. (specify all the reasons he's being given excess pay) and have the board approve it.

The labor lawyers may have reasons this is a bad idea in terms of his status as exempt or nonexempt and whether he's per hour or salaried.  If salaried, I think you're required to do your job assignments regardless of the amount of time you work in any given week.

Also, you may be setting a bad precedent for other employees to ask for "incentives."  Just some thoughts.  Amy

From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. palmer@callpalmer.com
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:26 AM
To: oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee

Good morning all:

A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects.

Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive?

I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day.

Lloyd Brent Palmer
PALMER LAW
1609 Arlington
Ada, OK 74820
(405) 496-1154
CallPalmer.com
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I think you'd want to make sure to avoid any argument that your town's made an unconstitutional "gift" to this employee. Perhaps you take resolution for your board to approve that provides that this employee has worked in excess of required work hours, etc. (specify all the reasons he's being given excess pay) and have the board approve it. The labor lawyers may have reasons this is a bad idea in terms of his status as exempt or nonexempt and whether he's per hour or salaried. If salaried, I think you're required to do your job assignments regardless of the amount of time you work in any given week. Also, you may be setting a bad precedent for other employees to ask for "incentives." Just some thoughts. Amy From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. <palmer@callpalmer.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:26 AM To: oama@lists.imla.org Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee Good morning all: A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects. Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive? I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day. Lloyd Brent Palmer PALMER LAW 1609 Arlington Ada, OK 74820 (405) 496-1154 CallPalmer.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the person to which it is addressed and may contain privileged and confidential information protected by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or e-mail, destroy this message and delete any copies held in your electronic files. Unauthorized use and/or re-disclosure may subject you to penalties under applicable state and federal laws.
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Larry Vickers
Thu, Jun 23, 2022 4:57 PM

I agree with Ms. Douglas. Without some justifications for the overpayments, the "gift" argument seems to be the biggest issue.

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From: Douglas, Amy G Amy.Douglas@okc.gov
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:37:13 AM
To: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq.; oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Overpayment of town employee

I think you’d want to make sure to avoid any argument that your town’s made an unconstitutional “gift” to this employee.  Perhaps you take  resolution for your board to approve that provides that this employee has worked in excess of required work hours, etc. (specify all the reasons he’s being given excess pay) and have the board approve it.

The labor lawyers may have reasons this is a bad idea in terms of his status as exempt or nonexempt and whether he’s per hour or salaried.  If salaried, I think you’re required to do your job assignments regardless of the amount of time you work in any given week.

Also, you may be setting a bad precedent for other employees to ask for “incentives.”  Just some thoughts.  Amy

From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. palmer@callpalmer.com
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:26 AM
To: oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee

Good morning all:

A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects.

Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive?

I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day.

Lloyd Brent Palmer
PALMER LAW
1609 Arlington
Ada, OK 74820
(405) 496-1154
CallPalmer.com
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the person to which it is addressed and may contain privileged and confidential information protected by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or e-mail, destroy this message and delete any copies held in your electronic files. Unauthorized use and/or re-disclosure may subject you to penalties under applicable state and federal laws.

I agree with Ms. Douglas. Without some justifications for the overpayments, the "gift" argument seems to be the biggest issue. Larry Vickers, Jr. Attorney At Law, P.L.L.C. 600 Emporia Street, Suite B Muskogee, Oklahoma 74401 Phone: 918-682-5900 & 303 South Thornton Vian, Oklahoma 74962 Phone: 918-773-4004 http://www.lvickerslaw.com<http://www.lvickerslaw.com/> E-mails from this firm normally contain confidential and privileged material, and are for the sole use of the intended recipient. Use or distribution by an unintended recipient is prohibited, and may be a violation of law. If you believe that you received this e-mail in error, please do not read this e-mail or any attached items. Please delete the e-mail and all attachments, including any copies thereof, and inform the sender that you have deleted the e-mail, all attachments and any copies thereof. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Douglas, Amy G <Amy.Douglas@okc.gov> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:37:13 AM To: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq.; oama@lists.imla.org Subject: [Oama] Re: Overpayment of town employee I think you’d want to make sure to avoid any argument that your town’s made an unconstitutional “gift” to this employee. Perhaps you take resolution for your board to approve that provides that this employee has worked in excess of required work hours, etc. (specify all the reasons he’s being given excess pay) and have the board approve it. The labor lawyers may have reasons this is a bad idea in terms of his status as exempt or nonexempt and whether he’s per hour or salaried. If salaried, I think you’re required to do your job assignments regardless of the amount of time you work in any given week. Also, you may be setting a bad precedent for other employees to ask for “incentives.” Just some thoughts. Amy From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. <palmer@callpalmer.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:26 AM To: oama@lists.imla.org Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee Good morning all: A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects. Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive? I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day. Lloyd Brent Palmer PALMER LAW 1609 Arlington Ada, OK 74820 (405) 496-1154 CallPalmer.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the person to which it is addressed and may contain privileged and confidential information protected by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or e-mail, destroy this message and delete any copies held in your electronic files. Unauthorized use and/or re-disclosure may subject you to penalties under applicable state and federal laws.
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rayvincent@coxinet.net
Thu, Jun 23, 2022 5:01 PM

I would no call it overtime.
Ray

From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq.
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:25 AM
To: oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee

Good morning all:

A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects.

Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive?

I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day.

Lloyd Brent Palmer
PALMER LAW
1609 Arlington
Ada, OK 74820
(405) 496-1154
CallPalmer.com


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I would no call it overtime. Ray From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:25 AM To: oama@lists.imla.org Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee Good morning all: A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects. Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive? I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day. Lloyd Brent Palmer PALMER LAW 1609 Arlington Ada, OK 74820 (405) 496-1154 CallPalmer.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Oama mailing list -- oama@lists.imla.org To unsubscribe send an email to oama-leave@lists.imla.org
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Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq.
Tue, Jun 28, 2022 2:51 PM

Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciate the assistance. Have a great week.

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Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq.
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I would no call it overtime.
Ray

From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq.
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:25 AM
To: oama@lists.imla.orgmailto:oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee

Good morning all:

A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects.

Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive?

I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day.

Lloyd Brent Palmer
PALMER LAW
1609 Arlington
Ada, OK 74820
(405) 496-1154
CallPalmer.com


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Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciate the assistance. Have a great week. [cid:image001.png@01D88AD4.A66CFD10] Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. Private Counsel & Attorney at Law PALMER LAW 1609 Arlington Ada, OK 74820 (405) 496-1154 palmer@callpalmer.com<mailto:palmer@callpalmer.com> This email may be privileged attorney-client communication and/or litigation work product. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Please reply to sender if you receive this message in error. Such error does not waive the applicable privilege(s). Pacta sunt servanda. φφκα From: rayvincent@coxinet.net <rayvincent@coxinet.net> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 12:02 PM To: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. <palmer@callpalmer.com>; oama@lists.imla.org Subject: Re: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee I would no call it overtime. Ray From: Lloyd Brent Palmer, Esq. Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:25 AM To: oama@lists.imla.org<mailto:oama@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Oama] Overpayment of town employee Good morning all: A town employee was overpaid due to accounting error for several months totaling a few thousand dollars. The board does not really want to recoup the overpayment. It is a great employee who always puts in more work than his paycheck reflects. Are we compelled to recoup the money? Could we call it overtime or some sort of incentive? I appreciate your advice. Have a very good day. Lloyd Brent Palmer PALMER LAW 1609 Arlington Ada, OK 74820 (405) 496-1154 CallPalmer.com ________________________________ -- Oama mailing list -- oama@lists.imla.org<mailto:oama@lists.imla.org> To unsubscribe send an email to oama-leave@lists.imla.org<mailto:oama-leave@lists.imla.org>