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Tom Holmes
Fri, Apr 22, 2016 5:56 PM

Never had to do that kind of stuff. The old man was a car nut and wouldn’t think of having anything that wouldn’t burn rubber just by stomping on the loud pedal.

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

From: Andrew Anderson [mailto:n8ves@yahoo.com]
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Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

Hmmmmm.... Something tells me that you actually did that. How long did your old man ground you for? I did a few neutral slams in my Dads 1972 New Yorker. He never found out about that...

73 de Sam N8VES


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Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

Now that I've had a chance to read it more closely, I'd really expect reversing the motor would simply break loose the drive wheels as they reversed direction and thus would leave serious skid marks and certainly bring you to a screeching halt.

Remember how you could burn rubber with a slightly under-torqued sedan by getting up some speed in reverse, the popping it into Drive with the throttle nearly floored?

And how your old man would be pissed when you had to tell him the tranny failed?

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

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Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

HI Jim…

Missed that when I read through it quickly, but thanks for the catch. I’ll see to it that the editor is made aware of that issue. Having worked in a lab for large motor and generators many, many years ago, I am well aware that shafts really do not to be twisted like that.

Thanks!

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

From: Jim Sanford [mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org ]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 7:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

Tom:
Great issue.
One comment:
The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the direction of motor rotation is reversed.  It is not -- armature and field excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a generator.

Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the shaft of the device, for it's very short life.

73,
Jim
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Never had to do that kind of stuff. The old man was a car nut and wouldn’t think of having anything that wouldn’t burn rubber just by stomping on the loud pedal. Tom Holmes, N8ZM From: Andrew Anderson [mailto:n8ves@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 1:20 PM To: Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com>; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com>; wb4gcs@amsat.org; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@febo.com> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop Hmmmmm.... Something tells me that you actually did that. How long did your old man ground you for? I did a few neutral slams in my Dads 1972 New Yorker. He never found out about that... 73 de Sam N8VES _____ From: Tom Holmes via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > To: 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> >; wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop Now that I've had a chance to read it more closely, I'd really expect reversing the motor would simply break loose the drive wheels as they reversed direction and thus would leave serious skid marks and certainly bring you to a screeching halt. Remember how you could burn rubber with a slightly under-torqued sedan by getting up some speed in reverse, the popping it into Drive with the throttle nearly floored? And how your old man would be pissed when you had to tell him the tranny failed? Tom Holmes, N8ZM -----Original Message----- From: mvus-list [mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com> ] On Behalf Of Tom Holmes via mvus-list Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 AM To: wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org> ; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop HI Jim… Missed that when I read through it quickly, but thanks for the catch. I’ll see to it that the editor is made aware of that issue. Having worked in a lab for large motor and generators many, many years ago, I am well aware that shafts really do not to be twisted like that. Thanks! Tom Holmes, N8ZM From: Jim Sanford [mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org <mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org> ] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 7:31 PM To: Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com <mailto:tholmes@woh.rr.com> >; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop Tom: Great issue. One comment: The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the direction of motor rotation is reversed. It is not -- armature and field excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a generator. Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the shaft of the device, for it's very short life. 73, Jim wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org> <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org> > On 4/21/2016 10:48 AM, Tom Holmes via mvus-list wrote: See you Friday night! Tom Holmes, N8ZM _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com> _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list
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Al Torres
Fri, Apr 22, 2016 9:18 PM

How about if you guys go "one on one" instead of broadcasting your nonsense all over.  Just do it!
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On Friday, April 22, 2016 1:56 PM, Tom Holmes via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> wrote:

Never had to do that kind of stuff. The old man was a car nut and wouldn’t think of having anything that wouldn’t burn rubber just by stomping on the loud pedal.

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

From: Andrew Anderson [mailto:n8ves@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Tom Holmes tholmes@woh.rr.com; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' mvus-list@febo.com; wb4gcs@amsat.org; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List mvus-list@febo.com
Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

Hmmmmm.... Something tells me that you actually did that. How long did your old man ground you for? I did a few neutral slams in my Dads 1972 New Yorker. He never found out about that...

73 de Sam N8VES

  _____ 

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Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

Now that I've had a chance to read it more closely, I'd really expect reversing the motor would simply break loose the drive wheels as they reversed direction and thus would leave serious skid marks and certainly bring you to a screeching halt.

Remember how you could burn rubber with a slightly under-torqued sedan by getting up some speed in reverse, the popping it into Drive with the throttle nearly floored?

And how your old man would be pissed when you had to tell him the tranny failed?

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

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Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

HI Jim…

Missed that when I read through it quickly, but thanks for the catch. I’ll see to it that the editor is made aware of that issue. Having worked in a lab for large motor and generators many, many years ago, I am well aware that shafts really do not to be twisted like that.

Thanks!

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

From: Jim Sanford [mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org ]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 7:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop

Tom:
Great issue.
One comment:
The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the direction of motor rotation is reversed.  It is not -- armature and field excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a generator.

Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the shaft of the device, for it's very short life.

73,
Jim
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On 4/21/2016 10:48 AM, Tom Holmes via mvus-list wrote:

See you Friday night!

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How about if you guys go "one on one" instead of broadcasting your nonsense all over.  Just do it!  AlDr. Al Torres Email: atorres4850@yahoo.com(937) 490-9645(937) 490-9645 (Anytime, Anywhere)"Live Well, Love Much, Laugh Often"CallSend SMSAdd to SkypeYou'll need Skype CreditFree via Skype On Friday, April 22, 2016 1:56 PM, Tom Holmes via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> wrote: Never had to do that kind of stuff. The old man was a car nut and wouldn’t think of having anything that wouldn’t burn rubber just by stomping on the loud pedal. Tom Holmes, N8ZM From: Andrew Anderson [mailto:n8ves@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 1:20 PM To: Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com>; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com>; wb4gcs@amsat.org; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@febo.com> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop Hmmmmm.... Something tells me that you actually did that. How long did your old man ground you for? I did a few neutral slams in my Dads 1972 New Yorker. He never found out about that... 73 de Sam N8VES   _____  From: Tom Holmes via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > To: 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> >; wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org>  Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop Now that I've had a chance to read it more closely, I'd really expect reversing the motor would simply break loose the drive wheels as they reversed direction and thus would leave serious skid marks and certainly bring you to a screeching halt. Remember how you could burn rubber with a slightly under-torqued sedan by getting up some speed in reverse, the popping it into Drive with the throttle nearly floored? And how your old man would be pissed when you had to tell him the tranny failed? Tom Holmes, N8ZM -----Original Message----- From: mvus-list [mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com> ] On Behalf Of Tom Holmes via mvus-list Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 AM To: wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org> ; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop HI Jim… Missed that when I read through it quickly, but thanks for the catch. I’ll see to it that the editor is made aware of that issue. Having worked in a lab for large motor and generators many, many years ago, I am well aware that shafts really do not to be twisted like that. Thanks! Tom Holmes, N8ZM From: Jim Sanford [mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org <mailto:wb4gcs@wb4gcs.org> ] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 7:31 PM To: Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com <mailto:tholmes@woh.rr.com> >; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] April Anom Prop Tom: Great issue. One comment: The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the direction of motor rotation is reversed.  It is not -- armature and field excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a generator. Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the shaft of the device, for it's very short life. 73, Jim wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org>  <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org <mailto:wb4gcs@amsat.org> > On 4/21/2016 10:48 AM, Tom Holmes via mvus-list wrote: See you Friday night! Tom Holmes, N8ZM _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com>  <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> Virus-free.  <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-esg-fav?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=oa-2109-v2-b> www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com>  _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com <mailto:mvus-list@febo.com> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list
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Fri, Apr 22, 2016 9:36 PM

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Jim Sanford via mvus-list <
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Tom:
Great issue.
One comment:
The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the
direction of motor rotation is reversed.  It is not -- armature and field
excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a
generator.

Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be
enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the
shaft of the device, for it's very short life.

73,
Jim
wb4gcs@amsat.org

So it's correct - the article was titled Regenerative BREAKING, not
braking. ;-)

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On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Jim Sanford via mvus-list < mvus-list@febo.com> wrote: > Tom: > Great issue. > One comment: > The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the > direction of motor rotation is reversed. It is not -- armature and field > excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a > generator. > > Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be > enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the > shaft of the device, for it's very short life. > > 73, > Jim > wb4gcs@amsat.org > So it's correct - the article was titled Regenerative BREAKING, not braking. ;-) -- Dave Lundy <google.com/+DaveLundy> <www.dma1.org/~lundyd> <www.facebook.com/lundyd43> <www.flickr.com/photos/lundyd> <www.youtube.com/DMADave> <www.twitter.com/lundyd>
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Rick R
Fri, Apr 22, 2016 9:45 PM

Spare me this chat. Take me off this email chain and please cease responding to all for your personal comments. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Dave Lundy via mvus-list mvus-list@febo.com wrote:

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Jim Sanford via mvus-list <
mvus-list@febo.com> wrote:

Tom:
Great issue.
One comment:
The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the
direction of motor rotation is reversed.  It is not -- armature and field
excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a
generator.

Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be
enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the
shaft of the device, for it's very short life.

73,
Jim
wb4gcs@amsat.org

So it's correct - the article was titled Regenerative BREAKING, not
braking. ;-)

Dave Lundy
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<www.dma1.org/~lundyd>
<www.facebook.com/lundyd43>
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Spare me this chat. Take me off this email chain and please cease responding to all for your personal comments. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Dave Lundy via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Jim Sanford via mvus-list < > mvus-list@febo.com> wrote: > >> Tom: >> Great issue. >> One comment: >> The article about regenerative breaking is incorrect when it says the >> direction of motor rotation is reversed. It is not -- armature and field >> excitations are changed such that it ceases being a motor and becomes a >> generator. >> >> Think about it, the torques involved in instantaneous reversal would be >> enormous, uncomfortable for vehicle occupants, and even more so for the >> shaft of the device, for it's very short life. >> >> 73, >> Jim >> wb4gcs@amsat.org > > So it's correct - the article was titled Regenerative BREAKING, not > braking. ;-) > -- > Dave Lundy > <google.com/+DaveLundy> > <www.dma1.org/~lundyd> > <www.facebook.com/lundyd43> > <www.flickr.com/photos/lundyd> > <www.youtube.com/DMADave> > <www.twitter.com/lundyd> > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list