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repair of a HP E1938A OCXO

WB
Wilko Bulte
Thu, Jun 5, 2025 2:05 PM

hi

This week I received the broken HP E1938A OCXO that Morris shipped me all
the way from Australia. Sofar I have spent some time for a quick test,
as well as documenting opening of the oven in a picture series that can
be found here https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A

For now I am not unhappy, as opening the 'hermetically sealed' oven proved
far easier than I had feared it would be. I plan to add more info/pictures
once I progress into the inner workings.

Input / comments are as always welcome.

Wilko

hi This week I received the broken HP E1938A OCXO that Morris shipped me all the way from Australia. Sofar I have spent some time for a quick test, as well as documenting opening of the oven in a picture series that can be found here https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A For now I am not unhappy, as opening the 'hermetically sealed' oven proved far easier than I had feared it would be. I plan to add more info/pictures once I progress into the inner workings. Input / comments are as always welcome. Wilko
BC
Bob Camp
Thu, Jun 5, 2025 6:40 PM

Hi

At some point that unit has had “some attention” ….

The labeling on the board and the oven assembly do not match up. The oven is labeled as a 100.xx C crystal. The board is labeled for a 103.xx C. crystal. The crystal serial numbers on the board and oven assembly also do not match up.

Bob

On Jun 5, 2025, at 10:05 AM, Wilko Bulte via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

hi

This week I received the broken HP E1938A OCXO that Morris shipped me all
the way from Australia. Sofar I have spent some time for a quick test,
as well as documenting opening of the oven in a picture series that can
be found here https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A

For now I am not unhappy, as opening the 'hermetically sealed' oven proved
far easier than I had feared it would be. I plan to add more info/pictures
once I progress into the inner workings.

Input / comments are as always welcome.

Wilko


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Hi At some point that unit has had “some attention” …. The labeling on the board and the oven assembly do not match up. The oven is labeled as a 100.xx C crystal. The board is labeled for a 103.xx C. crystal. The crystal serial numbers on the board and oven assembly also do not match up. Bob > On Jun 5, 2025, at 10:05 AM, Wilko Bulte via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > hi > > This week I received the broken HP E1938A OCXO that Morris shipped me all > the way from Australia. Sofar I have spent some time for a quick test, > as well as documenting opening of the oven in a picture series that can > be found here https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A > > For now I am not unhappy, as opening the 'hermetically sealed' oven proved > far easier than I had feared it would be. I plan to add more info/pictures > once I progress into the inner workings. > > Input / comments are as always welcome. > > Wilko > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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vilgotch1@gmail.com
Fri, Jun 6, 2025 10:07 AM

Hi all,

Wilko thanks very much for the update - keep them coming!

The hockey puck I sent you is the one from my Z3815A which had been running for about 20 years until the oven stopped heating. I eventually was able to obtain a replacement unit and substituted the hockey puck from it into my original mother board. I did that because I thought there may have been some customization in the original board as the replacement unit warmed up but did not lock in the Z3815A. The mother board I sent is the replacement one I received with the faulty hockey puck on it.  That explains the difference in labeling. The replacement hockey puck works perfectly in the Z3815A with its original motherboard which suggests that it’s running at the correct temperature.

The higher current draw behaviour for the first minute or so falling to 50 mA afterwards that Wilko has described what what I observed as well on both motherboards. That makes me think the problem is with the thermistors, or their connections, in the hockey puck. The heating elements themselves all show proper continuity when tested with an ohmmeter.

I have read somewhere that the series capacitor for the crystal was individually selected for each unit which probably explains why it’s specified on the oven’s label.

I hope that helps,

Morris

Hi all, Wilko thanks very much for the update - keep them coming! The hockey puck I sent you is the one from my Z3815A which had been running for about 20 years until the oven stopped heating. I eventually was able to obtain a replacement unit and substituted the hockey puck from it into my original mother board. I did that because I thought there may have been some customization in the original board as the replacement unit warmed up but did not lock in the Z3815A. The mother board I sent is the replacement one I received with the faulty hockey puck on it. That explains the difference in labeling. The replacement hockey puck works perfectly in the Z3815A with its original motherboard which suggests that it’s running at the correct temperature. The higher current draw behaviour for the first minute or so falling to 50 mA afterwards that Wilko has described what what I observed as well on both motherboards. That makes me think the problem is with the thermistors, or their connections, in the hockey puck. The heating elements themselves all show proper continuity when tested with an ohmmeter. I have read somewhere that the series capacitor for the crystal was individually selected for each unit which probably explains why it’s specified on the oven’s label. I hope that helps, Morris
WB
Wilko Bulte
Fri, Jun 6, 2025 1:31 PM

Thank you Morris! And thanks to Bob for noting the different temperature labels.

In the meantime I have dug a bit deeper (into the rabbit hole maybe?) and added some more pictures & measurements for the thermistor section. Some interesting things were found.
My current gut feeling is that one or more of the flex wires and/or their soldering have issues.

Anyway, have a look in case you are interested in this project:  https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A/

Wilko

-----Original Message-----
From: Morris Odell via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: 6 June, 2025 12:07
To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Cc: vilgotch1@gmail.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Re: repair of a HP E1938A OCXO

Hi all,

Wilko thanks very much for the update - keep them coming!

The hockey puck I sent you is the one from my Z3815A which had been running for about 20 years until the oven stopped heating. I eventually was able to obtain a replacement unit and substituted the hockey puck from it into my original mother board. I did that because I thought there may have been some customization in the original board as the replacement unit warmed up but did not lock in the Z3815A. The mother board I sent is the replacement one I received with the faulty hockey puck on it.  That explains the difference in labeling. The replacement hockey puck works perfectly in the Z3815A with its original motherboard which suggests that it’s running at the correct temperature.

The higher current draw behaviour for the first minute or so falling to 50 mA afterwards that Wilko has described what what I observed as well on both motherboards. That makes me think the problem is with the thermistors, or their connections, in the hockey puck. The heating elements themselves all show proper continuity when tested with an ohmmeter.

I have read somewhere that the series capacitor for the crystal was individually selected for each unit which probably explains why it’s specified on the oven’s label.

I hope that helps,

Morris


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Thank you Morris! And thanks to Bob for noting the different temperature labels. In the meantime I have dug a bit deeper (into the rabbit hole maybe?) and added some more pictures & measurements for the thermistor section. Some interesting things were found. My current gut feeling is that one or more of the flex wires and/or their soldering have issues. Anyway, have a look in case you are interested in this project: https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A/ Wilko -----Original Message----- From: Morris Odell via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Sent: 6 June, 2025 12:07 To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Cc: vilgotch1@gmail.com Subject: [time-nuts] Re: repair of a HP E1938A OCXO Hi all, Wilko thanks very much for the update - keep them coming! The hockey puck I sent you is the one from my Z3815A which had been running for about 20 years until the oven stopped heating. I eventually was able to obtain a replacement unit and substituted the hockey puck from it into my original mother board. I did that because I thought there may have been some customization in the original board as the replacement unit warmed up but did not lock in the Z3815A. The mother board I sent is the replacement one I received with the faulty hockey puck on it. That explains the difference in labeling. The replacement hockey puck works perfectly in the Z3815A with its original motherboard which suggests that it’s running at the correct temperature. The higher current draw behaviour for the first minute or so falling to 50 mA afterwards that Wilko has described what what I observed as well on both motherboards. That makes me think the problem is with the thermistors, or their connections, in the hockey puck. The heating elements themselves all show proper continuity when tested with an ohmmeter. I have read somewhere that the series capacitor for the crystal was individually selected for each unit which probably explains why it’s specified on the oven’s label. I hope that helps, Morris _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
BC
Bob Camp
Fri, Jun 6, 2025 1:56 PM

Hi

If all the thermistors measure almost the same, why suspect one is out of the circuit / broke?

Since there are a variety of things hooked to the string of thermistors (including the 6.19K R35, it is reasonable to believe that the header pins will show less resistance than the sum of the thermistors.

To double check the connections, measure from the header pins to each of the thermistors. See if the net resistances make sense. If they do, the thermistors are not the issue.

Bob

On Jun 6, 2025, at 9:31 AM, Wilko Bulte via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Thank you Morris! And thanks to Bob for noting the different temperature labels.

In the meantime I have dug a bit deeper (into the rabbit hole maybe?) and added some more pictures & measurements for the thermistor section. Some interesting things were found.
My current gut feeling is that one or more of the flex wires and/or their soldering have issues.

Anyway, have a look in case you are interested in this project:  https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A/

Wilko

-----Original Message-----
From: Morris Odell via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: 6 June, 2025 12:07
To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Cc: vilgotch1@gmail.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Re: repair of a HP E1938A OCXO

Hi all,

Wilko thanks very much for the update - keep them coming!

The hockey puck I sent you is the one from my Z3815A which had been running for about 20 years until the oven stopped heating. I eventually was able to obtain a replacement unit and substituted the hockey puck from it into my original mother board. I did that because I thought there may have been some customization in the original board as the replacement unit warmed up but did not lock in the Z3815A. The mother board I sent is the replacement one I received with the faulty hockey puck on it.  That explains the difference in labeling. The replacement hockey puck works perfectly in the Z3815A with its original motherboard which suggests that it’s running at the correct temperature.

The higher current draw behaviour for the first minute or so falling to 50 mA afterwards that Wilko has described what what I observed as well on both motherboards. That makes me think the problem is with the thermistors, or their connections, in the hockey puck. The heating elements themselves all show proper continuity when tested with an ohmmeter.

I have read somewhere that the series capacitor for the crystal was individually selected for each unit which probably explains why it’s specified on the oven’s label.

I hope that helps,

Morris


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Hi If all the thermistors measure almost the same, why suspect one is out of the circuit / broke? Since there are a variety of things hooked to the string of thermistors (including the 6.19K R35, it is reasonable to believe that the header pins will show less resistance than the sum of the thermistors. To double check the connections, measure from the header pins to each of the thermistors. See if the net resistances make sense. If they do, the thermistors are not the issue. Bob > On Jun 6, 2025, at 9:31 AM, Wilko Bulte via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Thank you Morris! And thanks to Bob for noting the different temperature labels. > > In the meantime I have dug a bit deeper (into the rabbit hole maybe?) and added some more pictures & measurements for the thermistor section. Some interesting things were found. > My current gut feeling is that one or more of the flex wires and/or their soldering have issues. > > Anyway, have a look in case you are interested in this project: https://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/HP-OCXO-E1938A/ > > Wilko > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Odell via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Sent: 6 June, 2025 12:07 > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Cc: vilgotch1@gmail.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: repair of a HP E1938A OCXO > > Hi all, > > Wilko thanks very much for the update - keep them coming! > > The hockey puck I sent you is the one from my Z3815A which had been running for about 20 years until the oven stopped heating. I eventually was able to obtain a replacement unit and substituted the hockey puck from it into my original mother board. I did that because I thought there may have been some customization in the original board as the replacement unit warmed up but did not lock in the Z3815A. The mother board I sent is the replacement one I received with the faulty hockey puck on it. That explains the difference in labeling. The replacement hockey puck works perfectly in the Z3815A with its original motherboard which suggests that it’s running at the correct temperature. > > The higher current draw behaviour for the first minute or so falling to 50 mA afterwards that Wilko has described what what I observed as well on both motherboards. That makes me think the problem is with the thermistors, or their connections, in the hockey puck. The heating elements themselves all show proper continuity when tested with an ohmmeter. > > I have read somewhere that the series capacitor for the crystal was individually selected for each unit which probably explains why it’s specified on the oven’s label. > > I hope that helps, > > Morris > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com