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Re: [volt-nuts] Voltage to frequency

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Steve - Home
Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:09 PM

Joe,

Loss of accuracy in the conversion process is probably the biggest reason. It's also less complex to build the voltage standard to a higher degree of accuracy and stability than to build an accurate, stable frequency standard AND an accurate, stable V to F converter.

Steve
WB0DBS

On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Gray jgray@zianet.com wrote:

I imagine that this has been discussed before, but I didn't see anything in
the archives. Long before my recent weakness and ordering of that voltage
standard on ebay, I had thought about using a voltage to frequency
converter.

Since it is relatively easy and inexpensive to have a very accurate
frequency standard at home, I wondered how difficult would it be to use
that standard to create an accurate voltage standard.

Some Googling didn't turn up much along these lines. Since this method
apparently isn't being used, there must be some reason. Can anyone
enlighten me?

Joe Gray
W5JG


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Joe, Loss of accuracy in the conversion process is probably the biggest reason. It's also less complex to build the voltage standard to a higher degree of accuracy and stability than to build an accurate, stable frequency standard AND an accurate, stable V to F converter. Steve WB0DBS On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Gray <jgray@zianet.com> wrote: > I imagine that this has been discussed before, but I didn't see anything in > the archives. Long before my recent weakness and ordering of that voltage > standard on ebay, I had thought about using a voltage to frequency > converter. > > Since it is relatively easy and inexpensive to have a very accurate > frequency standard at home, I wondered how difficult would it be to use > that standard to create an accurate voltage standard. > > Some Googling didn't turn up much along these lines. Since this method > apparently isn't being used, there must be some reason. Can anyone > enlighten me? > > Joe Gray > W5JG > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Mitch Van Ochten
Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:29 AM

Virtually all of the adjustable calibrators from Fluke, Valhalla, and others
do a PWM to precision voltage conversion.

Regards,

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve - Home" steve-krull@cox.net
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Voltage to frequency

Joe,

Loss of accuracy in the conversion process is probably the biggest reason.
It's also less complex to build the voltage standard to a higher degree of
accuracy and stability than to build an accurate, stable frequency
standard AND an accurate, stable V to F converter.

Steve
WB0DBS

On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Gray jgray@zianet.com wrote:

I imagine that this has been discussed before, but I didn't see anything
in
the archives. Long before my recent weakness and ordering of that voltage
standard on ebay, I had thought about using a voltage to frequency
converter.

Since it is relatively easy and inexpensive to have a very accurate
frequency standard at home, I wondered how difficult would it be to use
that standard to create an accurate voltage standard.

Some Googling didn't turn up much along these lines. Since this method
apparently isn't being used, there must be some reason. Can anyone
enlighten me?

Joe Gray
W5JG


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Virtually all of the adjustable calibrators from Fluke, Valhalla, and others do a PWM to precision voltage conversion. Regards, Mitch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve - Home" <steve-krull@cox.net> To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Voltage to frequency > Joe, > > Loss of accuracy in the conversion process is probably the biggest reason. > It's also less complex to build the voltage standard to a higher degree of > accuracy and stability than to build an accurate, stable frequency > standard AND an accurate, stable V to F converter. > > Steve > WB0DBS > > > > On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Gray <jgray@zianet.com> wrote: > >> I imagine that this has been discussed before, but I didn't see anything >> in >> the archives. Long before my recent weakness and ordering of that voltage >> standard on ebay, I had thought about using a voltage to frequency >> converter. >> >> Since it is relatively easy and inexpensive to have a very accurate >> frequency standard at home, I wondered how difficult would it be to use >> that standard to create an accurate voltage standard. >> >> Some Googling didn't turn up much along these lines. Since this method >> apparently isn't being used, there must be some reason. Can anyone >> enlighten me? >> >> Joe Gray >> W5JG >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
JD
John Devereux
Tue, Jul 30, 2013 6:43 PM

The main issue here is that any "frequency to voltage" or "voltage to
frequency" will still need a precision voltage reference as well as,
now, a precision frequency reference. So you are no further forward. You
may as well just use the voltage reference directly!

As Mitch says there are also precision PWM circuits, but these too need
a voltage reference in the circuit. The advantage with PWM is that it is
possible to generate very accurate ratios (or make adjustments) without
needing precision resistors.

PWM is probably the way to go for a precision variable voltage. But it
does not get you out of needing a precision fixed voltage reference to
refer it to.

John

"Mitch Van Ochten" mitch@vincentelectronics.com writes:

Virtually all of the adjustable calibrators from Fluke, Valhalla, and
others do a PWM to precision voltage conversion.

Regards,

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve - Home" steve-krull@cox.net
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Voltage to frequency

Joe,

Loss of accuracy in the conversion process is probably the biggest
reason. It's also less complex to build the voltage standard to a
higher degree of accuracy and stability than to build an accurate,
stable frequency standard AND an accurate, stable V to F converter.

Steve
WB0DBS

On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Gray jgray@zianet.com wrote:

I imagine that this has been discussed before, but I didn't see
anything in
the archives. Long before my recent weakness and ordering of that voltage
standard on ebay, I had thought about using a voltage to frequency
converter.

Since it is relatively easy and inexpensive to have a very accurate
frequency standard at home, I wondered how difficult would it be to use
that standard to create an accurate voltage standard.

Some Googling didn't turn up much along these lines. Since this method
apparently isn't being used, there must be some reason. Can anyone
enlighten me?

Joe Gray
W5JG

--

John Devereux

The main issue here is that any "frequency to voltage" or "voltage to frequency" will still need a precision voltage reference *as well* as, now, a precision frequency reference. So you are no further forward. You may as well just use the voltage reference directly! As Mitch says there are also precision PWM circuits, but these too need a voltage reference in the circuit. The advantage with PWM is that it is possible to generate very accurate ratios (or make adjustments) without needing precision resistors. PWM is probably the way to go for a precision *variable* voltage. But it does not get you out of needing a precision fixed voltage reference to refer it to. John "Mitch Van Ochten" <mitch@vincentelectronics.com> writes: > Virtually all of the adjustable calibrators from Fluke, Valhalla, and > others do a PWM to precision voltage conversion. > > > Regards, > > Mitch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve - Home" <steve-krull@cox.net> > To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Voltage to frequency > > >> Joe, >> >> Loss of accuracy in the conversion process is probably the biggest >> reason. It's also less complex to build the voltage standard to a >> higher degree of accuracy and stability than to build an accurate, >> stable frequency standard AND an accurate, stable V to F converter. >> >> Steve >> WB0DBS >> >> >> >> On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Gray <jgray@zianet.com> wrote: >> >>> I imagine that this has been discussed before, but I didn't see >>> anything in >>> the archives. Long before my recent weakness and ordering of that voltage >>> standard on ebay, I had thought about using a voltage to frequency >>> converter. >>> >>> Since it is relatively easy and inexpensive to have a very accurate >>> frequency standard at home, I wondered how difficult would it be to use >>> that standard to create an accurate voltage standard. >>> >>> Some Googling didn't turn up much along these lines. Since this method >>> apparently isn't being used, there must be some reason. Can anyone >>> enlighten me? >>> >>> Joe Gray >>> W5JG -- John Devereux