Re: [PCW] Power cats better than trawler yachts

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PaulJChristman@aol.com
Fri, Jun 23, 2006 5:38 AM

John,

Thanks so much for replying to an interested (and ignorant) layman.  There
seems no place to get an education on catamarans other than through experienced
experts who, understandably, have little time to answer basic questions.
But, if you would, can you explain how a six-foot hull beam (waterline) on a 55'
displacement cat is preferable, to, say, a four-foot beam, with its
significantly reduced resistance?  I realize a six-foot beam is highly preferable for
accomadations, but I keep reading that a length to beam ratio of 12 to 16:1 is
optimal for long range, high speed, and low fuel consumption with small
engines.  Is this all voodoo, witchcraft, or is there some science and logic to
all this?  HELP!
Thanks,
Paul Christman

p.s. Your 55' project sounds fantastic, especially if you're taking the
lessons from Pacific Harmony.

John, Thanks so much for replying to an interested (and ignorant) layman. There seems no place to get an education on catamarans other than through experienced experts who, understandably, have little time to answer basic questions. But, if you would, can you explain how a six-foot hull beam (waterline) on a 55' displacement cat is preferable, to, say, a four-foot beam, with its significantly reduced resistance? I realize a six-foot beam is highly preferable for accomadations, but I keep reading that a length to beam ratio of 12 to 16:1 is optimal for long range, high speed, and low fuel consumption with small engines. Is this all voodoo, witchcraft, or is there some science and logic to all this? HELP! Thanks, Paul Christman p.s. Your 55' project sounds fantastic, especially if you're taking the lessons from Pacific Harmony.
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Ben Scotkin
Fri, Jun 23, 2006 12:46 PM

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Georgs Kolesnikovs
Fri, Jun 23, 2006 1:20 PM

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>Please remove from mailing list All hands-- Please do not post subscription matters to the List as such messages only clutter the mailboxes of other subscribers--who, in any event, are unable to help you. The List operates in a self-serve mode. You unsubscribe yourself as you subscribed yourself. Follow the instructions that appear with every posting: List-Id: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran.lists.samurai.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran>, <mailto:power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/power-catamaran> List-Post: <mailto:power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> List-Help: <mailto:power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran>, <mailto:power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com?subject=subscribe> Click on the List-Help address if you require further assistance. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.co
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Arild Jensen
Fri, Jun 23, 2006 1:47 PM

-----Original Message-----
From:  Georgs
Kolesnikovs

All hands--

Please do not post subscription matters to the List

REPLY
Georgs  why is the PWC list formatted differently than the T&T list with
respectto how replying goes.

On T&T  if you click on REPLY the post only goes to originator and you have
to click REPLY TO ALL  for the post to go back to the whole list.

On PWC if you click REPLY  only;  then the post still goes back to whole
list.
I see that someone else just got caught by this again.  I myself was caught
out by this  only two days ago.
Not fair.  Yuor originallist rules suggest first replying privately unless
content is relevant to wholelist. yet your format unintentionally sets up a
trap  for the unwary.  Those of us who subscribe to multiple lists do not
always notice the distinction each time.  And of course many of us are also
subscribed to multiple lists.
There are even parallel thread on same subject but on different lists.

regards
Arild

> -----Original Message----- > From: Georgs > Kolesnikovs > All hands-- > > Please do not post subscription matters to the List REPLY Georgs why is the PWC list formatted differently than the T&T list with respectto how replying goes. On T&T if you click on REPLY the post only goes to originator and you have to click REPLY TO ALL for the post to go back to the whole list. On PWC if you click REPLY only; then the post still goes back to whole list. I see that someone else just got caught by this again. I myself was caught out by this only two days ago. Not fair. Yuor originallist rules suggest first replying privately unless content is relevant to wholelist. yet your format unintentionally sets up a trap for the unwary. Those of us who subscribe to multiple lists do not always notice the distinction each time. And of course many of us are also subscribed to multiple lists. There are even parallel thread on same subject but on different lists. regards Arild
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D C *Mac* Macdonald
Fri, Jun 23, 2006 2:20 PM

One way to be certain of how/where your reply goes
is to  ALWAYS  select  "REPLY ALL"  and then remove
any "offending" addressees before you actually send the
message.

D C "Mac" Macdonald
Grand Lake - Oklahoma
m/v Another Adventure

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Arild Jensen" elnav@telus.net
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To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] list reply format
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:47:23 -0700

-----Original Message-----
From:  Georgs
Kolesnikovs

All hands--

Please do not post subscription matters to the List

REPLY
Georgs  why is the PWC list formatted differently than the T&T list with
respectto how replying goes.

On T&T  if you click on REPLY the post only goes to originator and you have
to click REPLY TO ALL  for the post to go back to the whole list.

On PWC if you click REPLY  only;  then the post still goes back to whole
list.
I see that someone else just got caught by this again.  I myself was caught
out by this  only two days ago.
Not fair.  Yuor originallist rules suggest first replying privately unless
content is relevant to wholelist. yet your format unintentionally sets up a
trap  for the unwary.  Those of us who subscribe to multiple lists do not
always notice the distinction each time.  And of course many of us are also
subscribed to multiple lists.
There are even parallel thread on same subject but on different lists.

regards
Arild

One way to be certain of how/where your reply goes is to ALWAYS select "REPLY ALL" and then remove any "offending" addressees before you actually send the message. D C "Mac" Macdonald Grand Lake - Oklahoma m/v Another Adventure ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Arild Jensen" <elnav@telus.net> Reply-To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> To: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Subject: [PCW] list reply format Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:47:23 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Georgs > Kolesnikovs > All hands-- > > Please do not post subscription matters to the List REPLY Georgs why is the PWC list formatted differently than the T&T list with respectto how replying goes. On T&T if you click on REPLY the post only goes to originator and you have to click REPLY TO ALL for the post to go back to the whole list. On PWC if you click REPLY only; then the post still goes back to whole list. I see that someone else just got caught by this again. I myself was caught out by this only two days ago. Not fair. Yuor originallist rules suggest first replying privately unless content is relevant to wholelist. yet your format unintentionally sets up a trap for the unwary. Those of us who subscribe to multiple lists do not always notice the distinction each time. And of course many of us are also subscribed to multiple lists. There are even parallel thread on same subject but on different lists. regards Arild
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Fri, Jun 23, 2006 2:22 PM

For the information of Arild and anyone else interested in how lists
such as this one work:

T&T and every other forum that I host started just like Power
Catamaran List is starting, with the List being the default
recipient. When an interactive mailing list is just getting started,
it's one way of generating discussion. Yes, sometimes we end up with
trivia being posted, but overall it helps.

When membership reaches around 500 subscribers, and there is plenty
of traffic, the format changes to where the replies are directed to
the original poster, as you are experiencing on the older, more
established forums.

Power Catamaran List is approaching the 300-member mark, so we'll
stick with the current format for a while longer.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997

-----Original Message-----
From:  Georgs
Kolesnikovs

All hands--

Please do not post subscription matters to the List

REPLY
Georgs  why is the PWC list formatted differently than the T&T list with
respectto how replying goes.

On T&T  if you click on REPLY the post only goes to originator and you have
to click REPLY TO ALL  for the post to go back to the whole list.

On PWC if you click REPLY  only;  then the post still goes back to whole
list.
I see that someone else just got caught by this again.  I myself was caught
out by this  only two days ago.
Not fair.  Yuor originallist rules suggest first replying privately unless
content is relevant to wholelist. yet your format unintentionally sets up a
trap  for the unwary.  Those of us who subscribe to multiple lists do not
always notice the distinction each time.  And of course many of us are also
subscribed to multiple lists.
There are even parallel thread on same subject but on different lists.

regards
Arild


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

For the information of Arild and anyone else interested in how lists such as this one work: T&T and every other forum that I host started just like Power Catamaran List is starting, with the List being the default recipient. When an interactive mailing list is just getting started, it's one way of generating discussion. Yes, sometimes we end up with trivia being posted, but overall it helps. When membership reaches around 500 subscribers, and there is plenty of traffic, the format changes to where the replies are directed to the original poster, as you are experiencing on the older, more established forums. Power Catamaran List is approaching the 300-member mark, so we'll stick with the current format for a while longer. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997 > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Georgs >> Kolesnikovs > >> All hands-- >> >> Please do not post subscription matters to the List > > > >REPLY >Georgs why is the PWC list formatted differently than the T&T list with >respectto how replying goes. > >On T&T if you click on REPLY the post only goes to originator and you have >to click REPLY TO ALL for the post to go back to the whole list. > >On PWC if you click REPLY only; then the post still goes back to whole >list. >I see that someone else just got caught by this again. I myself was caught >out by this only two days ago. >Not fair. Yuor originallist rules suggest first replying privately unless >content is relevant to wholelist. yet your format unintentionally sets up a >trap for the unwary. Those of us who subscribe to multiple lists do not >always notice the distinction each time. And of course many of us are also >subscribed to multiple lists. >There are even parallel thread on same subject but on different lists. > >regards >Arild >_______________________________________________ >Power-Catamaran Mailing List
DC
D C *Mac* Macdonald
Fri, Jun 23, 2006 2:25 PM

My previous comment applies no matter which
format/setup the list moderator has chosen.

D C "Mac" Macdonald
m/v Another Adventure
Grand Lake 0 Oklahoma

----Original Message Follows----
From: Georgs Kolesnikovs georgs@powercatamaranworld.com
Reply-To: Power Catamaran List power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
To: Power Catamaran List power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] list reply format
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:22:38 -0400

For the information of Arild and anyone else interested in how lists
such as this one work:

T&T and every other forum that I host started just like Power
Catamaran List is starting, with the List being the default
recipient. When an interactive mailing list is just getting started,
it's one way of generating discussion. Yes, sometimes we end up with
trivia being posted, but overall it helps.

When membership reaches around 500 subscribers, and there is plenty
of traffic, the format changes to where the replies are directed to
the original poster, as you are experiencing on the older, more
established forums.

Power Catamaran List is approaching the 300-member mark, so we'll
stick with the current format for a while longer.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997

My previous comment applies no matter which format/setup the list moderator has chosen. D C "Mac" Macdonald m/v Another Adventure Grand Lake 0 Oklahoma ----Original Message Follows---- From: Georgs Kolesnikovs <georgs@powercatamaranworld.com> Reply-To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PCW] list reply format Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:22:38 -0400 For the information of Arild and anyone else interested in how lists such as this one work: T&T and every other forum that I host started just like Power Catamaran List is starting, with the List being the default recipient. When an interactive mailing list is just getting started, it's one way of generating discussion. Yes, sometimes we end up with trivia being posted, but overall it helps. When membership reaches around 500 subscribers, and there is plenty of traffic, the format changes to where the replies are directed to the original poster, as you are experiencing on the older, more established forums. Power Catamaran List is approaching the 300-member mark, so we'll stick with the current format for a while longer. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997