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Source for spade lugs?

RS
Randy Scott
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 9:38 PM

I'm looking to make some test leads suitable for measuring voltage standards (1 to 10V) and resistance standards (1 - 100k ohm).  My thought was to terminate the ends of the leads with spade lugs suitable for use on standard binding posrs, but I am having trouble locating a source.  I'd prefer copper or gold-plated copper suitable for crimping to 18 to 20 gauge wire.

Most of what I've found has been targeted toward the audiophiles for terminating 8 to 12 gauge (or larger) speaker wire.  I've tried using these before, and crimping them seems to require super-human strength or an industrial-sized crimping tool that I'm not interested in purchasing.

Any pointers?  Or recommendations other than spade lugs?

Thanks.

Randy.

I'm looking to make some test leads suitable for measuring voltage standards (1 to 10V) and resistance standards (1 - 100k ohm). My thought was to terminate the ends of the leads with spade lugs suitable for use on standard binding posrs, but I am having trouble locating a source. I'd prefer copper or gold-plated copper suitable for crimping to 18 to 20 gauge wire. Most of what I've found has been targeted toward the audiophiles for terminating 8 to 12 gauge (or larger) speaker wire. I've tried using these before, and crimping them seems to require super-human strength or an industrial-sized crimping tool that I'm not interested in purchasing. Any pointers? Or recommendations other than spade lugs? Thanks. Randy.
JF
J. Forster
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 9:48 PM

Pomona or Keithley. Pomona sells very high grade ones, but they are
expensive. Keithley sold bare Cu lugs for low-thermal connections.

I'd start there.

Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically strip
the plating.

-John

==============

I'm looking to make some test leads suitable for measuring voltage
standards (1 to 10V) and resistance standards (1 - 100k ohm).  My thought
was to terminate the ends of the leads with spade lugs suitable for use on
standard binding posrs, but I am having trouble locating a source.  I'd
prefer copper or gold-plated copper suitable for crimping to 18 to 20
gauge wire.

Most of what I've found has been targeted toward the audiophiles for
terminating 8 to 12 gauge (or larger) speaker wire.  I've tried using
these before, and crimping them seems to require super-human strength or
an industrial-sized crimping tool that I'm not interested in purchasing.

Any pointers?  Or recommendations other than spade lugs?

Thanks.

Randy.


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Pomona or Keithley. Pomona sells very high grade ones, but they are expensive. Keithley sold bare Cu lugs for low-thermal connections. I'd start there. Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically strip the plating. -John ============== > I'm looking to make some test leads suitable for measuring voltage > standards (1 to 10V) and resistance standards (1 - 100k ohm). My thought > was to terminate the ends of the leads with spade lugs suitable for use on > standard binding posrs, but I am having trouble locating a source. I'd > prefer copper or gold-plated copper suitable for crimping to 18 to 20 > gauge wire. > > Most of what I've found has been targeted toward the audiophiles for > terminating 8 to 12 gauge (or larger) speaker wire. I've tried using > these before, and crimping them seems to require super-human strength or > an industrial-sized crimping tool that I'm not interested in purchasing. > > Any pointers? Or recommendations other than spade lugs? > > Thanks. > > Randy. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
RK
Rob Klein
Sat, Sep 11, 2010 1:23 PM

Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef:

Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically strip
the plating.

-John

==============

In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how he
had successfully
done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially available
crimp terminals are
tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too.

  • Rob
Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef: > Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically strip > the plating. > > -John > > ============== In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how he had successfully done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially available crimp terminals are tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too. - Rob
AS
Alan Scrimgeour
Sat, Sep 11, 2010 3:20 PM

Yes, I tried a mix for chemically stripping tin and lead from copper. I
think it also removed the inter-metallic layer between them, which is
important, judging by the bright copper colour, but that's a guess. I can't
find the details now, but if you Google enough you'll probably find the
details at a site specialising in advising members of the metal plating
industry. I think it was a mixture of water, copper sulphate and sulphuric
acid (which I had to hand) and used at about 80C. There were some other
formulations but they sounded more complex or expensive and commercial
products are available if cost is no object. I haven't checked the result
for thermally generated voltage against the same lugs with the plating
thoroughly sanded off, but they looked the right colour.

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Klein" rob.klein@smalldesign.nl
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs?

Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef:

Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically strip
the plating.

-John

==============

In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how he
had successfully
done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially available
crimp terminals are
tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too.

  • Rob

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Yes, I tried a mix for chemically stripping tin and lead from copper. I think it also removed the inter-metallic layer between them, which is important, judging by the bright copper colour, but that's a guess. I can't find the details now, but if you Google enough you'll probably find the details at a site specialising in advising members of the metal plating industry. I think it was a mixture of water, copper sulphate and sulphuric acid (which I had to hand) and used at about 80C. There were some other formulations but they sounded more complex or expensive and commercial products are available if cost is no object. I haven't checked the result for thermally generated voltage against the same lugs with the plating thoroughly sanded off, but they looked the right colour. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Klein" <rob.klein@smalldesign.nl> To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs? > Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef: >> Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically strip >> the plating. >> >> -John >> >> ============== > In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how he > had successfully > done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially available > crimp terminals are > tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too. > > > - Rob > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
RK
Rob Klein
Sat, Sep 11, 2010 7:08 PM

Just found this:
http://www.finishing.com/319/63.shtml

-Rob

Op 11-9-2010 17:20, Alan Scrimgeour schreef:

Yes, I tried a mix for chemically stripping tin and lead from copper.
I think it also removed the inter-metallic layer between them, which
is important, judging by the bright copper colour, but that's a guess.
I can't find the details now, but if you Google enough you'll probably
find the details at a site specialising in advising members of the
metal plating industry. I think it was a mixture of water, copper
sulphate and sulphuric acid (which I had to hand) and used at about
80C. There were some other formulations but they sounded more complex
or expensive and commercial products are available if cost is no
object. I haven't checked the result for thermally generated voltage
against the same lugs with the plating thoroughly sanded off, but they
looked the right colour.

Alan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Klein" rob.klein@smalldesign.nl
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs?

Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef:

Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically
strip
the plating.

-John

==============

In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how
he had successfully
done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially
available crimp terminals are
tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too.

  • Rob

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Just found this: http://www.finishing.com/319/63.shtml -Rob Op 11-9-2010 17:20, Alan Scrimgeour schreef: > Yes, I tried a mix for chemically stripping tin and lead from copper. > I think it also removed the inter-metallic layer between them, which > is important, judging by the bright copper colour, but that's a guess. > I can't find the details now, but if you Google enough you'll probably > find the details at a site specialising in advising members of the > metal plating industry. I think it was a mixture of water, copper > sulphate and sulphuric acid (which I had to hand) and used at about > 80C. There were some other formulations but they sounded more complex > or expensive and commercial products are available if cost is no > object. I haven't checked the result for thermally generated voltage > against the same lugs with the plating thoroughly sanded off, but they > looked the right colour. > > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Klein" <rob.klein@smalldesign.nl> > To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs? > > >> Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef: >>> Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically >>> strip >>> the plating. >>> >>> -John >>> >>> ============== >> In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how >> he had successfully >> done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially >> available crimp terminals are >> tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too. >> >> >> - Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Small Design Zuiddijk 354 1505 HD Zaandam The Netherlands tel. +31 (0)75 77 11 740 fax. +31 (0)75 77 11 742 e-mail: rob.klein@smalldesign.nl
AS
Alan Scrimgeour
Sun, Sep 12, 2010 12:03 AM

"25% sulfuric acid plus 8 oz./gal copper sulfate," sounds like the one I
used, but my memory is it has to be hot too.

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Klein" rob.klein@smalldesign.nl
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs?

Just found this:
http://www.finishing.com/319/63.shtml

-Rob

Op 11-9-2010 17:20, Alan Scrimgeour schreef:

Yes, I tried a mix for chemically stripping tin and lead from copper. I
think it also removed the inter-metallic layer between them, which is
important, judging by the bright copper colour, but that's a guess. I
can't find the details now, but if you Google enough you'll probably find
the details at a site specialising in advising members of the metal
plating industry. I think it was a mixture of water, copper sulphate and
sulphuric acid (which I had to hand) and used at about 80C. There were
some other formulations but they sounded more complex or expensive and
commercial products are available if cost is no object. I haven't checked
the result for thermally generated voltage against the same lugs with the
plating thoroughly sanded off, but they looked the right colour.

Alan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Klein" rob.klein@smalldesign.nl
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs?

Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef:

Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically
strip
the plating.

-John

==============

In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how he
had successfully
done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially available
crimp terminals are
tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too.

  • Rob

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"25% sulfuric acid plus 8 oz./gal copper sulfate," sounds like the one I used, but my memory is it has to be hot too. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Klein" <rob.klein@smalldesign.nl> To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs? > Just found this: > http://www.finishing.com/319/63.shtml > > > -Rob > > Op 11-9-2010 17:20, Alan Scrimgeour schreef: >> Yes, I tried a mix for chemically stripping tin and lead from copper. I >> think it also removed the inter-metallic layer between them, which is >> important, judging by the bright copper colour, but that's a guess. I >> can't find the details now, but if you Google enough you'll probably find >> the details at a site specialising in advising members of the metal >> plating industry. I think it was a mixture of water, copper sulphate and >> sulphuric acid (which I had to hand) and used at about 80C. There were >> some other formulations but they sounded more complex or expensive and >> commercial products are available if cost is no object. I haven't checked >> the result for thermally generated voltage against the same lugs with the >> plating thoroughly sanded off, but they looked the right colour. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Klein" <rob.klein@smalldesign.nl> >> To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Source for spade lugs? >> >> >>> Op 4-9-2010 23:48, J. Forster schreef: >>>> Another option would be an electrical supply house, then chemically >>>> strip >>>> the plating. >>>> >>>> -John >>>> >>>> ============== >>> In an exchange of PM's, fellow Volt-Nut Alan Scrimgeour showed me how he >>> had successfully >>> done just that. As far as I've looked, almost all commercially available >>> crimp terminals are >>> tin plated pure copper, although there are a few brass ones about too. >>> >>> >>> - Rob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > -- > > Small Design > Zuiddijk 354 > 1505 HD Zaandam > The Netherlands > > tel. +31 (0)75 77 11 740 > fax. +31 (0)75 77 11 742 > e-mail: rob.klein@smalldesign.nl > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.