Fw: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this is not the truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid & embarassing.jc
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Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this is not
the truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
This should be no surprise to any of you guys !!
Mike M.
Subject: FW: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this is not the
truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
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Let the political games begin!!!!!!!!
I have no idea who originated the following but, somehow, it's totally
believable. I couldn't verify its authenticity.
__________________________________________________________________
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and
asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL
teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander)
recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE (Rules of
Engagement) that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in
"imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all
sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB (rigid inflatable boat) came under fire as it
approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As
the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them
all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge
CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea
and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead
raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive"
behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS. So per our last e-mail thread, I'm
downgrading Oohbaby's performance to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that
the hostage survived.
Philipsb first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean
hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his
countrybs Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison,
enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors b
and none was taken. The guidance from National Command Authority b the
president of the United States, Barack Obama b had been clear: a peaceful
solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the
hostagebs life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired
on by the Somali pirates b and again no fire was returned and no pirates
killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel
thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a
mandate from the commander in chiefbs staff not to act until Obama, a man
with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of
decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a b peaceful solutionb
would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the
on scene commander decided he'd had enough. Keeping his authority to act in
the case of a clear and present danger to the hostagebs life and having
heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue
operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer b unnamed in all
media reports to date b decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at
Philipsb back was a threat to the hostagebs life and ordered the NSWC team
to take their shots. Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became
enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the
last week that culminated in yesterdaybs dramatic rescue of an American
hostage. Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama
administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the
Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put to rest
questions of the inexperienced presidentbs toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administrationbs (and its sycophantsb) attempt to spin
yesterdaybs success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the
inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have
been a standoff lasting only hours b as long as it took the USS Bainbridge
and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location b became an
embarrassing four-day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of
criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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Hello all!
I find it extremely inappropriate to find a posting on this list fueled by
partisan politics.
Consider the source of the ridiculous rant that Dennis Raedeke posted:
Dennis has a friend in Texas who receives info from a buddy in VA, who spoke
to a guy, who says he is a Navy Seal, who is privy to high-level info,
assumably classified, communicated from the White House to Naval Command,
which spells out step by step, what President Obama directed the commander
of the Bainbridge to execute.
Give me a break!!! In any case, this is a list called the Power Catamaran
List. It is for the interchange of info and ideas pertaining to power
catamarans and things relating to boats. Keep your redneck politics and
unsubstantiated news items to yourself.
Regards, Bert Harrott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Raedeke" dennis@wildmountain.com
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com;
amy@wildmountain.com
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: [PCW] Fw: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this is
not the truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
----- Original Message -----
From: moenmjr@aol.com
To: clwhitaker@comcast.net ; DTheuninck@aol.com ; judefinn@msn.com ;
roger.finnes.b4zy@statefarm.com ; rjohns@barlowresearch.com ;
CMJsunrise@comcast.net ; dennis@wildmountain.com ; johnarlana@aol.com ;
krivard@forestlake.k12.mn.us
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this is
not
the truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
This should be no surprise to any of you guys !!
Mike M.
Subject: FW: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this is not
the
truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 ;
Let the political games begin!!!!!!!!
I have no idea who originated the following but, somehow, it's
totally
believable. I couldn't verify its authenticity.
__________________________________________________________________
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and
asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC
SEAL
teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander)
recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE (Rules
of
Engagement) that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was
in
"imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all
sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB (rigid inflatable boat) came under fire as it
approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions.
As
the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had
them
all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the
Bainbridge
CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the
OpArea
and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3
dead
raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive"
behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS. So per our last e-mail thread, I'm
downgrading Oohbaby's performance to D-. Only reason it's not an F is
that
the hostage survived.
Philipsb first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean
hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by
his
countrybs Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat
prison,
enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors
b
and none was taken. The guidance from National Command Authority b the
president of the United States, Barack Obama b had been clear: a peaceful
solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the
hostagebs life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was
fired
on by the Somali pirates b and again no fire was returned and no pirates
killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy
personnel
thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and
a
mandate from the commander in chiefbs staff not to act until Obama, a man
with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of
decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a b peaceful solutionb
would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night,
the
on scene commander decided he'd had enough. Keeping his authority to act
in
the case of a clear and present danger to the hostagebs life and having
heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue
operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer b unnamed in
all
media reports to date b decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at
Philipsb back was a threat to the hostagebs life and ordered the NSWC
team
to take their shots. Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands
became
enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over
the
last week that culminated in yesterdaybs dramatic rescue of an American
hostage. Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama
administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the
Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put to
rest
questions of the inexperienced presidentbs toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administrationbs (and its sycophantsb) attempt to spin
yesterdaybs success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the
inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should
have
been a standoff lasting only hours b as long as it took the USS
Bainbridge
and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location b became an
embarrassing four-day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of
criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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I second what that Mr. Harrott wrote. The several rather obvious flaws
in the original rant make it tedious enough, but whether anyone likes
this stuff or not, it has no place on the Power Cat list.
Alan Bliss
On Apr 21, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Noelle Harrott wrote:
Hello all!
I find it extremely inappropriate to find a posting on this list
fueled by partisan politics.
Consider the source of the ridiculous rant that Dennis Raedeke posted:
Dennis has a friend in Texas who receives info from a buddy in VA,
who spoke to a guy, who says he is a Navy Seal, who is privy to high-
level info, assumably classified, communicated from the White House
to Naval Command, which spells out step by step, what President
Obama directed the commander of the Bainbridge to execute.
Give me a break!!! In any case, this is a list called the Power
Catamaran List. It is for the interchange of info and ideas
pertaining to power catamarans and things relating to boats. Keep
your redneck politics and unsubstantiated news items to yourself.
Regards, Bert Harrott
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Raedeke" <dennis@wildmountain.com
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com;
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: [PCW] Fw: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope
this is not the truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big
destroyer sitting there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats,
looked really stupid & embarassing.jc
----- Original Message -----
From: moenmjr@aol.com
To: clwhitaker@comcast.net ; DTheuninck@aol.com ; judefinn@msn.com ;
roger.finnes.b4zy@statefarm.com ; rjohns@barlowresearch.com ;
CMJsunrise@comcast.net ; dennis@wildmountain.com ;
johnarlana@aol.com ;
krivard@forestlake.k12.mn.us
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope
this is not
the truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
This should be no surprise to any of you guys !!
Mike M.
Subject: FW: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this
is not the
truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 ;
Let the political games begin!!!!!!!!
I have no idea who originated the following but, somehow, it's
totally
believable. I couldn't verify its authenticity.
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach
yesterday and
asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/
NSWC SEAL
teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene
commander)
recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE
(Rules of
Engagement) that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's
life was in
"imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the
raggies all
sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB (rigid inflatable boat) came under fire
as it
approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE
restrictions. As
the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the
SEALS had them
all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the
Bainbridge
CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have
the OpArea
and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours
later, 3 dead
raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive"
behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS. So per our last e-mail
thread, I'm
downgrading Oohbaby's performance to D-. Only reason it's not an F
is that
the hostage survived.
Philipsb first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian
Ocean
hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a
rescue by his
countrybs Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat
prison,
enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his
captors b
and none was taken. The guidance from National Command Authority b
the
president of the United States, Barack Obama b had been clear: a
peaceful
solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the
hostagebs life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft
was fired
on by the Somali pirates b and again no fire was returned and no
pirates
killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy
personnel
thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from
Washington and a
mandate from the commander in chiefbs staff not to act until
Obama, a man
with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of
decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a b peaceful
solutionb
would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday
night, the
on scene commander decided he'd had enough. Keeping his authority
to act in
the case of a clear and present danger to the hostagebs life and
having
heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a
rescue
operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer b
unnamed in all
media reports to date b decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at
Philipsb back was a threat to the hostagebs life and ordered the
NSWC team
to take their shots. Three rounds downrange later, all three
brigands became
enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events
over the
last week that culminated in yesterdaybs dramatic rescue of an
American
hostage. Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama
administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates
in the
Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put
to rest
questions of the inexperienced presidentbs toughness and
decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administrationbs (and its sycophantsb) attempt
to spin
yesterdaybs success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the
inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What
should have
been a standoff lasting only hours b as long as it took the USS
Bainbridge
and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location b became an
embarrassing four-day and counting standoff between a ragtag
handful of
criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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I echo what Bert & Alan posted.
Dennis is a smart guy whom I respect a lot. He should have shown far better
judgment than that.
Great way to get people to unsubscribe from the power catamaran list.
Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska
politcs. YAWN!
got any boat stuff?
On Apr 20, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Dennis Raedeke wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: moenmjr@aol.com
To: clwhitaker@comcast.net ; DTheuninck@aol.com ; judefinn@msn.com ;
roger.finnes.b4zy@statefarm.com ; rjohns@barlowresearch.com ;
CMJsunrise@comcast.net ; dennis@wildmountain.com ; johnarlana@aol.com ;
krivard@forestlake.k12.mn.us
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this
is not
the truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
This should be no surprise to any of you guys !!
Mike M.
Subject: FW: Interesting [received from a friend in TX, I hope this is
not the
truth but agree, it probably is. Yes, our big destroyer sitting
there....dah....next to 2 puney pirate boats, looked really stupid &
embarassing.jc
FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 ;
Let the political games begin!!!!!!!!
I have no idea who originated the following but, somehow, it's
totally
believable. I couldn't verify its authenticity.
__________________________________________________________________
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday
and
asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/
NSWC SEAL
teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander)
recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE
(Rules of
Engagement) that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life
was in
"imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies
all
sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB (rigid inflatable boat) came under fire as
it
approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE
restrictions. As
the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS
had them
all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the
Bainbridge
CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have
the OpArea
and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later,
3 dead
raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive"
behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS. So per our last e-mail thread,
I'm
downgrading Oohbaby's performance to D-. Only reason it's not an F is
that
the hostage survived.
Philipsb first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean
hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue
by his
countrybs Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat
prison,
enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his
captors b
and none was taken. The guidance from National Command Authority b the
president of the United States, Barack Obama b had been clear: a
peaceful
solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the
hostagebs life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft
was fired
on by the Somali pirates b and again no fire was returned and no
pirates
killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy
personnel
thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington
and a
mandate from the commander in chiefbs staff not to act until Obama, a
man
with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of
decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a b peaceful
solutionb
would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday
night, the
on scene commander decided he'd had enough. Keeping his authority to
act in
the case of a clear and present danger to the hostagebs life and having
heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a
rescue
operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer b unnamed
in all
media reports to date b decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at
Philipsb back was a threat to the hostagebs life and ordered the
NSWC team
to take their shots. Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands
became
enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events
over the
last week that culminated in yesterdaybs dramatic rescue of an American
hostage. Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama
administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the
Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put to
rest
questions of the inexperienced presidentbs toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administrationbs (and its sycophantsb) attempt to
spin
yesterdaybs success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the
inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What
should have
been a standoff lasting only hours b as long as it took the USS
Bainbridge
and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location b became an
embarrassing four-day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of
criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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