TWL: Re: trawler-world-list V4 #170
To whom it may concern:
I have attached the trawler list # 170 as I received it. My reason is so you can
see that I only getting half of the list. This problem has the happening for the
past 2 weeks. I wanted you to be aware of this problem. I do enjoy reading this
list every morning. I hope that you can find out why I don't get the whole list.
Thanks
Stan Postyn
Another Chance
Island Gypsy 44
trawler-world-list wrote:
trawler-world-list Tuesday, December 19 2000 Volume 04 : Number 170
TWL: Re: Big slow turning engines
TWL: Re: European Canal Travel
TWL: RE: Please Don Not Buy Watts Vales
TWL: Re: Indiscipline Cruise 2000 - thoughts on returning home (long
TWL: Self-intro: Randy Tillman
TWL: Info Search - Annapolis Area
TWL: Passagemaking: Que Linda/Lond Beach to Puerto Quetzal, Guatemala
TWL: Re: RE: Please Don Not Buy Watts Vales
TWL: Alternative wash down systems
TWL: RE: Alternative wash down systems
TWL: Changing Packing
Re: TWL: Alternative wash down systems
TWL: Re: trawler-world-list V4 #169
TWL: Re: Fuel Problem
TWL: cleats
Re: TWL: shaft packing
TWL: Painting the window frames
TWL: Re: Self-intro: Randy Tillman
Re: TWL: Re: Self-intro: Randy Tillman
Re: TWL: update FUEL PROBLEM
TWL: Re: Self-intro: Randy Tillman
TWL: Re: Painting the window frames
TWL: Boat name
TWL: Naming engines and other inanimate objects
TWL: Re: Boat name
Re: TWL: Naming engines and other inanimate objects
RE: TWL: Naming engines and other inanimate objects
TWL: Re: Naming engines and other inanimate objects
Re: TWL: Ft. Lauderdale dockage
Re: TWL: Naming engines and other inanimate objects
Re: TWL: Naming engines and other inanimate objects
TWL: Re: Naming engines and other inanimate objects
Re: TWL: Re: Big slow turning engines
Re: TWL: shaft packing
TWL: Spot or Flood light? Wire or RF?
TWL: Re: european canals
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:23:02 -0800
From: "Richard Tomkinson" capnrich31@home.com
Subject: TWL: Re: Big slow turning engines
On page 42 of Passagemaker for December, a vessel is described which has a
1300 HP MAN diesel. The vessel is described as using less than 100 HP at 10
kn design target cruise speed. How about less than 10% of engine power?
Richard
On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:18:50 -0500 (EST) Paul Kruse plkruse@iu.net
writes:
The trouble is that most trawlers have grossly oversized
engines,
such that they typically cruise at about 15-20 percent power output.
Paul is quite correct on this. And you should talk to your engine mfg's
tech people about what operating your engine at less than 60 percent
power output on a long term basis does to your warranty.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:23:38 +0100
From: "becker" becker@presse.de
Subject: TWL: Re: European Canal Travel
Anyone have a recent reference to the physical requirements for length,
width, height, draft, times of travel for European Canals/locks?<
Hi Richard,
as Shaun Sweeney has already mentioned: "it depends" - on country and route.
If you have any special question, give me a private mail; perhaps I can
help. If you need general information, look at:
http://www.vnf.fr/accueil/index.htm (France)
http://www.binnenvaart.be/htm/start.htm (Belgium)
http://www.waterland.net/index.html (Netherlands)
http://www.elwis.bafg.de/ (Germany)
European waterways are classified for professional use; smallest class is:
No. I (penichet): 38,5 - 5,05 - 1,8 - 4,0 (m) l - b - d - h; of course there
are many smaller channels, but they are "only" used for recreatinal purpose.
Burkhard Becker (D)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:12:54 -0500
From: "psnorth" psnorth@mediaone.net
Subject: TWL: RE: Please Don Not Buy Watts Vales
I live in the town of North Andover Massachusetts where Watts is
headquartered. Many of the Watts executives live in town. I took the
liberty of forwarding your note to Timothy Horne (company chairman) and the
export department Jeannie Martin.
Hope you receive some satisfaction.
Regards,
Peter North
Salty Dog KK42 #52
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com
[mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com]On Behalf Of AKAMA
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 9:48 PM
To: Live-aboard List; Trawler-World-List; Living Aboard Magazine
Cc: MARTINJJ@wattsind.com; sensort@cyberway.com.sg
Subject: TWL: Please Don Not Buy Watts Vales
Dear Friends,
We are unhappy with the customer service of the Watts Valve Company and
their Singapore distributor. So we are encouraging everyone to buy from
their many competitors; we can supply names or you can find them on the
Internet. Here are the details:
We wanted to install a Watts mixing valve (details in addendum below) on
AKAMA. A fellow Whaleback owner recommended a Watts valve and it was
advertised in the pages of Living Aboard Magazine. I contacted Watts and
they in turn put me in touch with their local distributor---so far so good.
It turns out that the distributor has no stock, takes a long time to get
stock, wants way over the usual price, and will only sell me six of them
rather than the one I need. Despite a strong protest, neither the dealer
nor Watts has reconsidered (or even responded). The implication is that if
you have their valve and it fails here in Singapore, or presumably many
other out-of-the-way places, you can't get another without waiting for over
a month, and when you get it you will pay too much and be stuck with five
spares that you'll likely never need.
Please support us by boycotting the Watts Valve Company and telling your
friends. You are, of course, free to do as you wish. We apologise for the
cross posting, which will mean that some of you receive multiple copies of
this.
Best to all and have a happy holiday season,
Maurice & Louise-Ann Nunas
M/V AKAMA
Pier 2, Ponggol Marina
Singapore
Addendum: Why would you want such a valve (for those that missed the initial
discussion)? We measured the temperature of the hot water coming out of the
water faucets. It was about 180 degrees when heated by the engine heat
exchanger, and about 140 degrees when heated by an electric heating element.
Also, because the "cold water" in the tanks, here in the tropics is already
reasonably warm, the levers on the showers had to be adjusted to the nearly
off position to get the right temperature for showering. 140-degree water
can cause third degree burns in only seconds of exposure; I shudder to think
what 180-degree water would do. Also, the variability factor of electric vs.
engine heat made for an unpredictable situation, which might be confusing,
especially for guests. A tempering (anti-scald, mixing...) valve installed
on the output side of the water heater premixes the hot water from the
heater with cold water from the tank to a reasonable temperature that you
can adjust (e.g., 125 degrees). So the hottest water is now reasonably
safe, and the shower valve is in the middle position for warm shower water.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:37:26 -0800
From: "Geo. & Jeanne Brooks" gbrooks@ncia.com
Subject: TWL: Re: Indiscipline Cruise 2000 - thoughts on returning home (long
Jim,
Backup Washdown System
I'll pass on the interim solution we used last summer, a backup to an
installed washdown system. I took a spare of one of my bilge pumps, in my
case a Rule 2000. I used a 3 to 5 gallon plastic bucket with a good handle
on it. Then mounted the bilge pump in the bottom of the bucket and used a
hole saw to cut a least 1/.2 dozen or so 2" or so holes in the bottom and
lower sides of the bucket. I tied enough line to the handle so that the
bucket submerges almost all the way when tied to(or snapped ) to the bow
rail and with the weight of the anchor chain out of the chain locker. I
attached the line about 6 feet aft of the bow and on the side opposite the
windlass chain wheel. Used corrugated bilge bump hose (1 !/8"in my case)
long enough to reach up so I can clean the chain. I then put a 1 1/8 by
3/4" plastic hose adapter on the free end of the hose to serve as a nozzle.
Last item is to run appropriate electrical wiring up from the pump to get to
a convenient 12V outlet or cigarette lighter receptacle. Be sure the
electrical splices remain above the waterline. I wire tied the hose and
electrical cable to the line that suspends the bucket. Be sure every thing
is well clear of the chain and chain wheel. If the bucket is large enough
you can store the hose and electrical cable in the bucket.
This thing works great, puts out far more flow than typical washdown pumps,
and has lots of versatility. You can put it in the bilge for added pumping
if needed , pump out the dinghy, etc.
I was concerned about the freeboard at our bow ,7' plus another 2' or so
over the rail but the pump handles that head without hurting the flow too
badly.
It is not pretty or something you'd want to use forever but It provides lots
of flow and sure beats pulling up each bucket full by hand.
Regards,
George Brooks
Nereid V
LaConner, WA
What is needed is a hose and a water pump for cleaning the chain and
anchor
as it comes up. We have one - but it doesn't work and we use a bucket.
That will need to be fixed. Otherwise the boat gets so dirty and muddy.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:28:27 -0500
From: "randy tillman" randytillman@email.msn.com
Subject: TWL: Self-intro: Randy Tillman
Have just joined the list to receive it by email. Listmeister requests
that I introduce myself. I have virtually no big boat experience (prior
boating limited to windsurfing, C-1 (at one point 20 years ago, I could do
an Eskimo roll in whitewater on the Nolichucky R., but now I'm 50), singles
racing shell (I'm current on this one), and I can pole a piroque).
However, I have taken the plunge (blindly) of purchasing a DeFever 44.
Took the power squadron course, and will sign up for seamanship course
next. Boat will be here in March, and I get to choose the electronics.
Safe to say, I'm literally intox. w/ the idea. Frankly, biggest problem is
naming the vessel. I've been reading the archived trawler lists for
awhile. Not to sound too...., but you guys are some smart people. It's
fascinating to read totally unbiased product reviews by people with
experience with the product, but no vested reason to promote. Even boating
magazine evaluations have to carry bias if the manufacturers are buying
advertising in the same magazine. The boat will be kept in Madisonville,
Louisiana. I have =
insurance bids from boat.us and from John Alden. Anyone have any
experience with these? Priviledged to be here, Randy Tillman, the
unnamed,undelivered, uncommissioned, undocumented, unradared, ..... DeFever
44 (I could always name it "Pending")
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:05:07 -0500
From: Al Golden IMIS@compuserve.com
Subject: TWL: Info Search - Annapolis Area
The unit was designed by Nathan Morris who something to do with an
airport and Marina One on Kent Island. The installation was done at =
Kent
Narrows, East 50 Yacht Yard in Annapolis.
- There's a "Nathan Morris" listed in the phone book at Kentmoor, which =
is a =
marina/airport community on Kent Island. His number is 410-643-5780.
- The nearest thing to "Marina One" on Kent island was "Pier One", which=
is =
now "Bay Bridge Marina" and that is adjacent to another airport. Their nu=
mber =
is 410-643-3762.
- There was a "East 50 Yacht Sales" some years ago, which was located on=
The =
Narrows. It was owned by a John Holmquist.
Al Golden
International Marine Insurance Services
1-800-541-4647
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:58:24 -0500
From: "hal wyman" halwyman@sonicnetmail.com(by way of Georgs Kolesnikovs)
Subject: TWL: Passagemaking: Que Linda/Lond Beach to Puerto Quetzal, Guatemala
11/5/2000. Hal took off from Long Beach at 1055 for the six day non stop
run to Manzanillo, Mexico. A small amount of anxiety was caused by the fact
that he had only met his two crew members the day before! Several qualified
friends had expressed interest in making the journey, but at the last minute
the last few maybes became nos. An announcement on the Trawler World List
advertising for crew brought two responses that seemed highly qualified.
Robert Owens, from Louisiana, was a former Pan Am pilot with lots of
experience in boats, and a thorough knowledge of navigation and weather.
Wayne Almquist and his very understanding wife own a contract sewing company
in Los Angeles and he was an experienced boater but without much offshore
passagemaking under his belt. As it turned out, both crew exceeded my
wildest expectations and we had a generally good trip.
We set up a watch schedule of 4 hours on and 8 hours off. I took the 8-12
watches, Wayne took the 12-4s, and Bob the 4-8 cycles. At around 8 p.m. the
first night we entered Mexican territory. Wind for the journey was
generally around 15 knots from behind us, but we had several hours of NE 25
gusting to 30 with heavy spray.
By the 8th the water had warmed up to 72 degrees, and the next day it was
79! It was on the 9th, just off of Cabo San Lucas, that we had our little
problem. The main engine raw water pump impeller decided to disintegrate.
We shut the engine off while Hal searched for the spare, which he knew was
on board. After an hour of searching it became apparent that a spare
impeller had been overlooked in the inventory. We fired up the emergency
drive, a hydraulic pump on the 20KW Northern Lights generator which turned a
motor on the main shaft. We limped into Cabo San Lucas and anchored off the
beach around midnight.
The next morning Wayne and Hal took the tender to shore and asked the Marina
for assistance in checking in to the country. As luck would have it, the
annual Baja ha ha fleet of 200 or so sailboats had arrived the day before
and the Marina was unable to assist us in clearance. After several
microseconds of thought, Wayne and I took a taxi to the Cat dealer, bought
their only impeller, hotfooted it back to the boat, installed it, and took
off for Manzanillo sans clearance. If the Mexican Navy had chased us, we
intended to plead "emergencia" and throw ourselves on their mercy. That
afternoon we were 80 miles from land with the wind calm and the sea mirror
smooth. The next morning, the 11th, we caught a 20 pound yellowfin tuna,
known to the Japanese as Ahi, the best sashimi in the world in my opinion.
Unfortunately, we were without Wasabi, so we lightly stir-fried about a
third of for dinner in a teriyaki style sauce.
At 1245 on Sunday the 12th, almost exactly a week from departure, we were
moored stern to the quay at Las Hadas, Manzanillo, famous as the set for the
Bo Derek movie "10". We had a nice shoreside dinner at the resort and the
following day my crew departed. I spent Monday doing general maintenance
and on Tuesday Linda flew in with Manchu to begin our actual cruising life.
However on Monday I discovered that the air conditioner, which had
previously only been tested in Seattle weather, could not handle the heat of
Mexico. It ended up that we were without air conditioning until we got to
Acapulco, where the factory was able to ship me the necessary parts to fix
the unit. This was rather uncomfortable for us Seattle Gringos as the
weather was in the high 80s and low 90s the whole time.
We spent until the 18th touring Manzanillo and enjoying the resort
atmosphere of Las Hadas. We found a nice Supermercado, the Comercial
Mexicana, which was stocked as well as any California supermarket. We even
found Pedigree dog food for Manchu. We spent time with the sailboat "Pretty
Woman" and the Grand Banks 42' "Angel Gate". Angel Gate ended up cruising
with us as far as Acapulco so we made four nice friends in the bargain.
We left early on the 18th for the ten hour run to Bahia Maruata, a small bay
with a fishing village and not much else. The next day we were under way by
0700 for a 14 hour run to Isla Grande, just outside the marina at Ixtapa.
We anchored in the dark around 2015 and the next morning we moved into the
new marina at Ixtapa. Angel Gate arrived later that day, having stopped
short of our destination the day before.
We spent two days touring Ixtapa, a new resort town, and Zihuatenejo, an
older town that until recently was a charming fishing village known only to
yachters, but now is overrun by tourists from Ixtapa seeking a "real Mexico"
experience. We anticipated an 18 hour run to Acapulco, so we left at 2030
on the 21st for an overnight passage in order to arrive during the middle of
the day. Linda and I traded naps all night and we found ourselves again
stern to the quay at the Acapulco Yacht Club around 1500 the next day.
Thank you Linda for insisting that our Paserelle (Italian for stern-to
gangplank) was installed before we left Seattle, as it came in very handy
both here and in Manzanillo. We hired one of the local workers who spent
three days detailing the boat at $6.00/hour.
After five nights in Acapulco doing the usual tourist stuff as well as
relaxing at the very nice facilities at the yacht club, we took off on the
27th for an estimated three day passage across the Gulf of Tehuantepec to
the Port of Puerto Quetzal, Guatemala. Six years ago when we brought Utopia
to Seattle from Florida, we bypassed most of Central America, crossing
directly from Costa Rica to Mexico. The publication of a new cruising guide
"The Forgotten Middle", covering Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and
Nicaragua, as well as an article in a summer issue of Latitude 38 magazine
describing two very new marinas in El Salvador prompted us to decide to see
these countries. All had undergone some degree of civil strife during the
'70s and '80s, but had been generally peaceful since about 1992.
24 hours out of Acapulco we were abeam of Puerto Angel with very light
winds. Walt Hack, our weather advisor, predicted nothing worse than 15
knots in the Gulf, so after a few hours of following a 62 Nordhavn,
Elizabeth, up the coast towards Salina Cruz into short steep head seas, we
turned right and headed for the Guatemala border directly. Unfortunately
Walt's prediction turned out to be optimistic as we had several hours of
25-30 knot winds with 10 foot beam seas, but the heavy displacement of Que
Linda handled the conditions well and while we were uncomfortable for a
time, we never felt in any danger. By 0200 on the 29th the wind started
veering aft and moderating, and by 0600 the seas were down to 3-5 feet and
the wind back under 15 knots. At 0700 I looked at the GPS and was surprised
to notice that it showed we were coincidentally EXACTLY at 15N, 94W, with no
minutes showing on either latitude or longitude.
Later that afternoon we were boarded by the Mexican Navy -- They launched an
inflatable from their cutter with six heavily armed men. Three came aboard
and one stationed himself in the bow and one in the stern while the third
walked through the boat, looking around but not opening any drawers or
lockers. After courteously inspecting our clearance from Acapulco and
passports, etc. they departed. They say they inspect all boats they run
into apparently heading to or from the Guatemala border.
On 11/30 at 0900 we entered port at Puerto Quetzal, Guatemala. This is a
new dredged deep water container port with a side branch which houses the
Navy base, the fishing fleet, and any yachts that happen by. We anchored
off the Navy Officer's club and were able to use their dingy dock for going
too and from shore. There was one yacht in the harbor when we arrived, a
French catamaran, and during our five day stay no boats arrived or departed.
Guatemala is truly undiscovered as far as yachts are concerned. Watch for
the December newsletter for news of this stop and more.
Hal & Linda
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:20:41 -0600
From: "Zeke Anderson" zeekstah@ktc.com
Subject: TWL: Re: RE: Please Don Not Buy Watts Vales
Wow! Talk about the power of the Internet.
Zeke Anderson
PT38 Texas Cookin'
Seabrook TX
Dear Friends,
We are unhappy with the customer service of the Watts Valve Company and
their Singapore distributor.
* * * * * *
I live in the town of North Andover Massachusetts where Watts is
headquartered. Many of the Watts executives live in town. I took the
liberty of forwarding your note to Timothy Horne (company chairman) and
the
export department Jeannie Martin.
Hope you receive some satisfaction.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:31:50 -0500
From: Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
Subject: TWL: Alternative wash down systems
After reading Geo. & jeanne Brooks' post about the bilge pump
alternative to a deck wash down system, I thought you might also want to
consider a simple system some friends use on a 36 foot trawler which has
been cruising in the Florida/Bahama/ICW area for the past three years.
They use a simple 2.5 gallon plastic garden sprayer! They fill it with
sea water, and keep it secured to the bow area (not sure if it's on the
sampson post or a rail). When they bring in the anchor, they pump up the
pressure, and wash down the chain and anchor! Works like a charm! Always
available. Doesn't use electricity!
Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
M/V "Sanderling" Docked at Point Patience Marina
Hailing port: Wianno MA Solomons, MD
Hampton 35 Trawler
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:55:49 -0500
From: Whicher Robert E BATH WhicherRE@SUPSHIP.NAVY.MIL
Subject: TWL: RE: Alternative wash down systems
I use the same garden sprayer to wash salt off my windows.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob McLeran [mailto:rmcleran@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 10:32 AM
To: Trawler World List
Subject: TWL: Alternative wash down systems
After reading Geo. & jeanne Brooks' post about the bilge pump
alternative to a deck wash down system, I thought you might also want to
consider a simple system some friends use on a 36 foot trawler which has
been cruising in the Florida/Bahama/ICW area for the past three years.
They use a simple 2.5 gallon plastic garden sprayer! They fill it with
sea water, and keep it secured to the bow area (not sure if it's on the
sampson post or a rail). When they bring in the anchor, they pump up the
pressure, and wash down the chain and anchor! Works like a charm! Always
available. Doesn't use electricity!
Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
M/V "Sanderling" Docked at Point Patience Marina
Hailing port: Wianno MA Solomons, MD
Hampton 35 Trawler
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:02:18 EST
From: Mrmoo5@aol.com
Subject: TWL: Changing Packing
Cheaper than that, would be installing "shaft savers", stainless steel
sleeves made by Chicago Rawhide and other manufacturers. No welding or
machining required.
Ralph Salerno
M/V ANCORA
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:20:11 -0500
From: Captain Al Pilvinis yourcaptain@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: TWL: Alternative wash down systems
At 10:31 AM 12/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
After reading Geo. & jeanne Brooks' post about the bilge pump
alternative to a deck wash down system, I thought you might also want to
consider a simple system some friends use on a 36 foot trawler which has
been cruising in the Florida/Bahama/ICW area for the past three years.
They use a simple 2.5 gallon plastic garden sprayer! They fill it with
sea water, and keep it secured to the bow area (not sure if it's on the
sampson post or a rail). When they bring in the anchor, they pump up the
pressure, and wash down the chain and anchor! Works like a charm!
---===========
We also use the sprayer for frugal rinse off after swimming. Gives a great
shower with very little water and you can warm it in the sun.
Also used to get the salt off the rails and windows when water is short.
does a great job.
My reason is so you can see that I only getting half of the list. This
problem has the happening for the past 2 weeks. I wanted you to be aware
of this problem. I do enjoy reading this list every morning. I hope that
you can find out why I don't get the whole list.<<<
I've been a member of quite a few mailing lists on several different
systems. This problem with some digests being mysteriously truncated seems
to be endemic. It seems to be unrelated to size (I've had larger and
smaller partial digests, and received truncated digests smaller than
complete ones), and is not produced by drop-outs on my internet connection
(mail files immediately before and after have been fine, and the modem log
shows no interruptions). I've had the problem using Win 95, Win 98, Win NT,
Linux and Solaris on my client machines. In each case where I've been able
to check, the truncation occurred before the digest arrived in the mail
queue at my ISP. Maybe there's occasionally a funny character in the file
that screws things up.
I've found the only way to go is to receive the individual messages
separately (although even then I think the odd message disappears into
hyperspace).
Regards, Robert Bryett
Sydney, Australia.
mailto:rbryett@ibm.net