Mac, Western Erie is 15' 0", don't believe everything you read .... Fred Tug 44 ---------------------------------------- From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:37 PM To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal The clearance on the "western" Erie Canal is 15.5 feet, if I remember. It is due to fixed bridges between Oneida (?) Lake and the Niagara River. If you can clear that, you can go ANYWHERE on the Great Loop!

The lowest clearance I see from the NYS Canal site is 15.3 feet at Lock 4, Guard Gate on Cayuga-Seneca Canal w/ maximum pool of 446.7 feet. Normal pool is 445 and offers 17 feet clearance then. I believe that is in Waterloo before entering Seneca Lake. On the western Erie, the worst seems to be the railroad bridge E-139 with a clearance of 15.34 feet at maximum pool of 463 and 15.94 at normal pool of 462.4. Probably a good idea to have full tanks when getting to "that low bridge, everybody down." URL for this info is: (http://www.canals.ny.gov/exvac/boating/bridgeheights.html) Have I missed something, Fred? * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** D C "Mac" Macdonald ** * OKC & Grand Lake (OK) * ** AGLCA (#217) & USPS ** ** USAF & FAA, Retired ** ** Amateur Radio K2GKK ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: fred@tug44.org To: k2gkk@hotmail.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:52:00 -0700 Mac, Western Erie is 15' 0", don't believe everything you read .... Fred Tug 44 From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:37 PM To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal The clearance on the "western" Erie Canal is 15.5 feet, if I remember. It is due to fixed bridges between Oneida (?) Lake and the Niagara River. If you can clear that, you can go ANYWHERE on the Great Loop!

Given the low clearance with these bridges, can anyone suggest which trawlers have the air draft to accommodate these heights? Thank you. Dennis Sajdak 480-353-1163 Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2012, at 2:56 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote: > > The lowest clearance I see from the NYS Canal site is > 15.3 feet at Lock 4, Guard Gate on Cayuga-Seneca Canal > w/ maximum pool of 446.7 feet. Normal pool is 445 and > offers 17 feet clearance then. I believe that is in > Waterloo before entering Seneca Lake. > > On the western Erie, the worst seems to be the railroad > bridge E-139 with a clearance of 15.34 feet at maximum > pool of 463 and 15.94 at normal pool of 462.4. > > Probably a good idea to have full tanks when getting to > "that low bridge, everybody down." > > URL for this info is: > > (http://www.canals.ny.gov/exvac/boating/bridgeheights.html) > > Have I missed something, Fred? > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * > ** D C "Mac" Macdonald ** > * OKC & Grand Lake (OK) * > ** AGLCA (#217) & USPS ** > ** USAF & FAA, Retired ** > ** Amateur Radio K2GKK ** > * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > From: fred@tug44.org > To: k2gkk@hotmail.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:52:00 -0700 > > Mac, > > Western Erie is 15' 0", don't believe everything you read .... > > > > Fred > Tug 44 > > > > From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:37 PM > To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> > Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal > > > The clearance on the "western" Erie Canal is 15.5 feet, if I remember. > It is due to fixed bridges between Oneida (?) Lake and the Niagara River. > If you can clear that, you can go ANYWHERE on the Great Loop! > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

If you're looking for a trawler, you're taking the wrong approach. Look for a size/make you like, then deal with the air draft. The bigger (longer) the boat, the higher it will be - generally speaking. But almost any size boat (up to a point) can be configured in such a way as to clear those fixed bridges. Our trawler is 41 feet with an air draft of 22.5 feet with the radar mast in it's normal (up) position; however, we can lower the mast (and keep it down for as long as necessary) in about 10 minutes which gives us an air draft of 15.25 feet (to the top of the bimini). If we ever had to clear less than 15.25 we could always lower the bimini (wouldn't want to do that very often, however) which would put us down to around 12 feet. Even on the Rideau you have to be able to clear 17 feet. <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Cruising the Atlantic Coast MV Sanderling Defever 41 Trawler Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ Currently: Holding in Carrabelle On 1/3/2014 8:34 AM, Dennis Sajdak wrote: > Given the low clearance with these bridges, can anyone suggest which trawlers have the air draft to accommodate these heights? > Thank you. > > Dennis Sajdak > 480-353-1163 > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 4, 2012, at 2:56 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> The lowest clearance I see from the NYS Canal site is >> 15.3 feet at Lock 4, Guard Gate on Cayuga-Seneca Canal >> w/ maximum pool of 446.7 feet. Normal pool is 445 and >> offers 17 feet clearance then. I believe that is in >> Waterloo before entering Seneca Lake. >> >> On the western Erie, the worst seems to be the railroad >> bridge E-139 with a clearance of 15.34 feet at maximum >> pool of 463 and 15.94 at normal pool of 462.4. >> >> Probably a good idea to have full tanks when getting to >> "that low bridge, everybody down." >> >> URL for this info is: >> >> (http://www.canals.ny.gov/exvac/boating/bridgeheights.html) >> >> Have I missed something, Fred? >> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> ** D C "Mac" Macdonald ** >> * OKC & Grand Lake (OK) * >> ** AGLCA (#217) & USPS ** >> ** USAF & FAA, Retired ** >> ** Amateur Radio K2GKK ** >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> >> >> From: fred@tug44.org >> To: k2gkk@hotmail.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com >> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:52:00 -0700 >> >> Mac, >> >> Western Erie is 15' 0", don't believe everything you read .... >> >> >> >> Fred >> Tug 44 >> >> >> >> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:37 PM >> To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> >> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >> >> >> The clearance on the "western" Erie Canal is 15.5 feet, if I remember. >> It is due to fixed bridges between Oneida (?) Lake and the Niagara River. >> If you can clear that, you can go ANYWHERE on the Great Loop! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com >> >> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com >

When we spent a summer in the Potomac Pete figured out a way to easily lower the mast on our Grand Banks...also worked well for stuck bridges and other situations. Pete and Peggy Frazier Grand Pelican Marco Island On 1/3/2014 8:34 AM, Dennis Sajdak wrote: > Given the low clearance with these bridges, can anyone suggest which trawlers have the air draft to accommodate these heights? > Thank you. > > Dennis Sajdak > 480-353-1163 > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 4, 2012, at 2:56 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> The lowest clearance I see from the NYS Canal site is >> 15.3 feet at Lock 4, Guard Gate on Cayuga-Seneca Canal >> w/ maximum pool of 446.7 feet. Normal pool is 445 and >> offers 17 feet clearance then. I believe that is in >> Waterloo before entering Seneca Lake. >> >> On the western Erie, the worst seems to be the railroad >> bridge E-139 with a clearance of 15.34 feet at maximum >> pool of 463 and 15.94 at normal pool of 462.4. >> >> Probably a good idea to have full tanks when getting to >> "that low bridge, everybody down." >> >> URL for this info is: >> >> (http://www.canals.ny.gov/exvac/boating/bridgeheights.html) >> >> Have I missed something, Fred? >> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> ** D C "Mac" Macdonald ** >> * OKC & Grand Lake (OK) * >> ** AGLCA (#217) & USPS ** >> ** USAF & FAA, Retired ** >> ** Amateur Radio K2GKK ** >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> >> >> From: fred@tug44.org >> To: k2gkk@hotmail.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com >> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:52:00 -0700 >> >> Mac, >> >> Western Erie is 15' 0", don't believe everything you read .... >> >> >> >> Fred >> Tug 44 >> >> >> >> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:37 PM >> To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> >> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >> >> >> The clearance on the "western" Erie Canal is 15.5 feet, if I remember. >> It is due to fixed bridges between Oneida (?) Lake and the Niagara River. >> If you can clear that, you can go ANYWHERE on the Great Loop! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com >> >> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

My 45 ft SeaRay MY is on the hard in Manotick Ontario and I wasn't aware that there are any fixed bridges on the Rideau Canal with a clearance of less than 22 ft. Can you enlighten me? Dr Mike O'Connor A Mi Manera -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Bob McLeran Sent: January-03-14 7:23 AM To: T-GL Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal If you're looking for a trawler, you're taking the wrong approach. Look for a size/make you like, then deal with the air draft. The bigger (longer) the boat, the higher it will be - generally speaking. But almost any size boat (up to a point) can be configured in such a way as to clear those fixed bridges. Our trawler is 41 feet with an air draft of 22.5 feet with the radar mast in it's normal (up) position; however, we can lower the mast (and keep it down for as long as necessary) in about 10 minutes which gives us an air draft of 15.25 feet (to the top of the bimini). If we ever had to clear less than 15.25 we could always lower the bimini (wouldn't want to do that very often, however) which would put us down to around 12 feet. Even on the Rideau you have to be able to clear 17 feet. <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Cruising the Atlantic Coast MV Sanderling Defever 41 Trawler Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ Currently: Holding in Carrabelle On 1/3/2014 8:34 AM, Dennis Sajdak wrote: > Given the low clearance with these bridges, can anyone suggest which trawlers have the air draft to accommodate these heights? > Thank you. > > Dennis Sajdak > 480-353-1163 > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 4, 2012, at 2:56 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> The lowest clearance I see from the NYS Canal site is >> 15.3 feet at Lock 4, Guard Gate on Cayuga-Seneca Canal w/ maximum >> pool of 446.7 feet. Normal pool is 445 and offers 17 feet clearance >> then. I believe that is in Waterloo before entering Seneca Lake. >> >> On the western Erie, the worst seems to be the railroad bridge E-139 >> with a clearance of 15.34 feet at maximum pool of 463 and 15.94 at >> normal pool of 462.4. >> >> Probably a good idea to have full tanks when getting to "that low >> bridge, everybody down." >> >> URL for this info is: >> >> (http://www.canals.ny.gov/exvac/boating/bridgeheights.html) >> >> Have I missed something, Fred? >> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> ** D C "Mac" Macdonald ** >> * OKC & Grand Lake (OK) * >> ** AGLCA (#217) & USPS ** >> ** USAF & FAA, Retired ** >> ** Amateur Radio K2GKK ** >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> >> >> From: fred@tug44.org >> To: k2gkk@hotmail.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com >> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:52:00 -0700 >> >> Mac, >> >> Western Erie is 15' 0", don't believe everything you read .... >> >> >> >> Fred >> Tug 44 >> >> >> >> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:37 PM >> To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> >> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >> >> >> The clearance on the "western" Erie Canal is 15.5 feet, if I remember. >> It is due to fixed bridges between Oneida (?) Lake and the Niagara River. >> If you can clear that, you can go ANYWHERE on the Great Loop! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawler >> ing.com >> >> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: >> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawleri >> ng.com > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawleri > ng.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlerin > g.com > _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

My comment about 17 foot bridges on the Rideau may not be correct - I was relying on memory from our cruise there two years ago. The only accurate source is the Rideau web site! The intended point of my comment was not to define the minimum height of some bridges on the Rideau Canal, but to emphasize that no matter what your boat's air draft there are always other fixed bridge heights that you'll need to be able to slip under. Sorry, I didn't intend to mislead anyone. Check the source; don't rely on my less-than-perfect memory! The web site http://www.rideau-info.com/canal/statistics.html lists the minimum bridge clearance as 22 feet for the Rideau. <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Cruising the Atlantic Coast MV Sanderling Defever 41 Trawler Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ Currently: Eastbound on the Gulf ICW On 1/3/2014 11:57 AM, Michael O'Connor wrote: > My 45 ft SeaRay MY is on the hard in Manotick Ontario and I wasn't aware > that there are any fixed bridges on the Rideau Canal with a clearance of > less than 22 ft. Can you enlighten me? > > Dr Mike O'Connor > A Mi Manera > > -----Original Message----- > From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf > Of Bob McLeran > Sent: January-03-14 7:23 AM > To: T-GL > Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal > > If you're looking for a trawler, you're taking the wrong approach. Look for > a size/make you like, then deal with the air draft. > > The bigger (longer) the boat, the higher it will be - generally speaking. > But almost any size boat (up to a point) can be configured in such a way as > to clear those fixed bridges. Our trawler is 41 feet with an air draft of > 22.5 feet with the radar mast in it's normal (up) position; however, we can > lower the mast (and keep it down for as long as necessary) in about 10 > minutes which gives us an air draft of 15.25 feet (to the top of the > bimini). If we ever had to clear less than 15.25 we could always lower the > bimini (wouldn't want to do that very often, > however) which would put us down to around 12 feet. > > Even on the Rideau you have to be able to clear 17 feet. > > <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> > Bob McLeran and Judy Young Cruising the Atlantic Coast > MV Sanderling Defever 41 Trawler > Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog > Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ > Currently: Holding in Carrabelle > > On 1/3/2014 8:34 AM, Dennis Sajdak wrote: >> Given the low clearance with these bridges, can anyone suggest which > trawlers have the air draft to accommodate these heights? >> Thank you. >> >> Dennis Sajdak >> 480-353-1163 >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 4, 2012, at 2:56 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> The lowest clearance I see from the NYS Canal site is >>> 15.3 feet at Lock 4, Guard Gate on Cayuga-Seneca Canal w/ maximum >>> pool of 446.7 feet. Normal pool is 445 and offers 17 feet clearance >>> then. I believe that is in Waterloo before entering Seneca Lake. >>> >>> On the western Erie, the worst seems to be the railroad bridge E-139 >>> with a clearance of 15.34 feet at maximum pool of 463 and 15.94 at >>> normal pool of 462.4. >>> >>> Probably a good idea to have full tanks when getting to "that low >>> bridge, everybody down." >>> >>> URL for this info is: >>> >>> (http://www.canals.ny.gov/exvac/boating/bridgeheights.html) >>> >>> Have I missed something, Fred? >>> >>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >>> ** D C "Mac" Macdonald ** >>> * OKC & Grand Lake (OK) * >>> ** AGLCA (#217) & USPS ** >>> ** USAF & FAA, Retired ** >>> ** Amateur Radio K2GKK ** >>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * >>> >>> >>> From: fred@tug44.org >>> To: k2gkk@hotmail.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com >>> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >>> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:52:00 -0700 >>> >>> Mac, >>> >>> Western Erie is 15' 0", don't believe everything you read .... >>> >>> >>> >>> Fred >>> Tug 44 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:37 PM >>> To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> >>> Subject: Re: GL: Rideau Canal >>> >>> >>> The clearance on the "western" Erie Canal is 15.5 feet, if I remember. >>> It is due to fixed bridges between Oneida (?) Lake and the Niagara River. >>> If you can clear that, you can go ANYWHERE on the Great Loop! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawler >>> ing.com >>> >>> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >>> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: >>> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawleri >>> ng.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawleri >> ng.com >> >> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: >> http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlerin >> g.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > >

    also be done via the St. Lawrence

            Seaway Route.

            23 feet.

            a beam width limit of 24 feet.

FYI - The Air Heights for the Great Loop 1. Chicago River...downtown route the air draft is 17 ft. 2. Calumet Sag Sanitation Canal....19 ft. 1- inch 3. Erie Canal from Albany to Oswego.........20 ft. 4. Western half of Erie Canal..........15 ft. 5 - inches 5. Lake Champlain Route & Richelieu River........17 ft. 6. Rideau Waterway..... 22 ft. 7. Trent-Severn Waterway....22 ft. Maximum Draft Limits for the Great Loop Draft limits are the sill height from the bottom of the lock sill to the pool water depth of the water level above or below the lock. 1. Rideau Waterway....5 feet (Ottawa to Kingston) < http://boating.ncf.ca/rideaufacts.html > Note: The Rideau Waterway is normally accessed by going the Lake Champlain Route, but could also be done via the St. Lawrence Seaway Route. 2. Trent-Severn Waterway..... 6 feet (Trenton to Port Severn) < http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/on/trentsevern/visit/visit5.aspx > Maximum Beam Widths for the Great Loop 1. Lock 45 on the Trent-Severn Waterway has an operational width of 23 feet. 2. The Marine Railway at Big Chute on the Trent-Severn Waterway has a beam width limit of 24 feet. Our blog is http://www.SayGood-Bye.com Youtube channel for the videos www.youtube.com/user/ralphyost1 Say Good-Bye 41 Defever