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Re: [Oama] SB 661 Public Comment

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Matt Love
Mon, Apr 13, 2020 7:02 PM

I question whether the AG's FAQs are even considered AG opinions. He hasn't
published them as though they are meant to be formal opinions interpreting
State law. 74 OS 20(A) says he does so annually, so in theory he could
publish them. It's not clear that they were created under the conditions
whereby the AG can even issue a formal opinion - 74 O.S. 18b(5) (request
from legislature, or a State officer/board/commission/department) or (18)
(individual State legislator). So I'm not convinced his FAQ's would be
considered legally binding on the State at this point.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:39 PM Michael R. Vanderburg <
mike.vanderburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Also, remember that the AG is not working for municipalities and in fact
is legally prohibited from doing so. He is not our attorney and we cannot
rely on his opinions. And we are not bound by them.

Mike Vanderburg

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*Subject: *Re: [Oama] SB 661 Public Comment

In my opinion,  the AG is not stating a legal requirement,  but rather
making a suggestion to create good will with the citizens.  Public comment
is not legally required,  but most municipalities put an agenda item to
permit comment,  with the admonition that no action can be taken.

Robert C. Thompson

Cheek & Falcone, PLLC

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Oklahoma City,  Okla.  73118

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From: Oama oama-bounces@lists.imla.org *On Behalf Of *John R. Andrew
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:06 AM
To: oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] SB 661 Public Comment

All,

Can someone clarify why the AG is saying in their FAQ that we have to
continue to allow public comment in a meeting utilizing teleconference or
videoconference if we have traditionally allowed it? I’m not finding that
anywhere in 661. As a charter municipality we set whether or not we will
allow public comment.

The closest thing I see is:

4. The public body shall be allowed to participate and speak, as allowed
by rule or policy set by the public body, in a meeting which utilizes
teleconference or videoconference in the same manner and to the same extent
as the public is allowed to participate or speak during a meeting where all
public body members are physically present together at the meeting site;

It's not saying the public shall be allowed to speak, it’s saying that the
“public body” shall be allowed to speak, which is the governing body
themselves.

If they mean to say the “public” shall be allowed to participate and
speak, it still indicates that “as allowed by rule or policy set by the
public body” which still gives our governing body control over whether or
not we allow public comments.

We are removing public comment from our agenda because, frankly, our
charter municipality gives us that control and this does not take that
away, unless someone can explain it differently to me.

Thanks,

John R. Andrew, J.D., M.P.A.

Interim City Attorney

City of Ponca City

PO Box 1450

Ponca City, OK 74602-1450

T: (580) 767-0451

F: (580) 767-0344

andrejr@poncacityok.gov

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I question whether the AG's FAQs are even considered AG opinions. He hasn't published them as though they are meant to be formal opinions interpreting State law. 74 OS 20(A) says he does so annually, so in theory he could publish them. It's not clear that they were created under the conditions whereby the AG can even issue a formal opinion - 74 O.S. 18b(5) (request from legislature, or a State officer/board/commission/department) or (18) (individual State legislator). So I'm not convinced his FAQ's would be considered legally binding on the State at this point. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:39 PM Michael R. Vanderburg < mike.vanderburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Also, remember that the AG is not working for municipalities and in fact > is legally prohibited from doing so. He is not our attorney and we cannot > rely on his opinions. And we are not bound by them. > > > > Mike Vanderburg > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Robert Thompson <rthompson@cheekfalcone.com> > *Sent: *Monday, April 13, 2020 10:11 AM > *To: *John R. Andrew <andrejr@poncacityok.gov>; oama@lists.imla.org > *Subject: *Re: [Oama] SB 661 Public Comment > > > > In my opinion, the AG is not stating a legal requirement, but rather > making a suggestion to create good will with the citizens. Public comment > is not legally required, but most municipalities put an agenda item to > permit comment, with the admonition that no action can be taken. > > > > > > Robert C. Thompson > > Cheek & Falcone, PLLC > > 6301 Waterford Blvd., Suite 320 > > Oklahoma City, Okla. 73118 > > direct telephone:405-286-9560 > > direct fax: 405-286-9680 > > Firm telephone: 405-286-9191 > > rthompson@cheekfalcone.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that > is protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be > aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this > copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. > Visit us at our website http://www.cheekfalcone.com/ > > > > *From:* Oama <oama-bounces@lists.imla.org> *On Behalf Of *John R. Andrew > *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:06 AM > *To:* oama@lists.imla.org > *Subject:* [Oama] SB 661 Public Comment > > > > All, > > > > Can someone clarify why the AG is saying in their FAQ that we have to > continue to allow public comment in a meeting utilizing teleconference or > videoconference if we have traditionally allowed it? I’m not finding that > anywhere in 661. As a charter municipality we set whether or not we will > allow public comment. > > > > The closest thing I see is: > > > > *4. The public body shall be allowed to participate and speak, as allowed > by rule or policy set by the public body, in a meeting which utilizes > teleconference or videoconference in the same manner and to the same extent > as the public is allowed to participate or speak during a meeting where all > public body members are physically present together at the meeting site;* > > > > It's not saying the public shall be allowed to speak, it’s saying that the > “public body” shall be allowed to speak, which is the governing body > themselves. > > > > If they mean to say the “public” shall be allowed to participate and > speak, it still indicates that “as allowed by rule or policy set by the > public body” which still gives our governing body control over whether or > not we allow public comments. > > > > We are removing public comment from our agenda because, frankly, our > charter municipality gives us that control and this does not take that > away, unless someone can explain it differently to me. > > > > Thanks, > > > > *John R. Andrew, J.D., M.P.A.* > > Interim City Attorney > > City of Ponca City > > PO Box 1450 > > Ponca City, OK 74602-1450 > > T: (580) 767-0451 > > F: (580) 767-0344 > > andrejr@poncacityok.gov > > > > > -- > Oama mailing list > Oama@lists.imla.org > http://lists.imla.org/mailman/listinfo/oama_lists.imla.org >