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Truelove39@aol.com

Tue, Jun 13, 2006 11:01 AM

Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't
read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to try
again.

Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West
Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here in
the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat
and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an
example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question.

THE QUESTION:

What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For
instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to try again. Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here in the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question. THE QUESTION: What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait. Regards, John "Seahorse"

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satthree@aol.com

Tue, Jun 13, 2006 1:06 PM

John,

Some years ago there were photos of a well known west coast boat, MoJo, based in Newport Beach, printed in Pacific Skipper, among others. The "professional" captain (unlicensed), with George C. Scott and his wife aboard, chose to leave Morro Bay after a storm. The boat took seas over the bow at the mouth of the bay that removed most everything above the shear line. As I recall the boat was about eighty-five feet long (later lengthened to one hundred and five feet). Others were making the passage north at the very time just off Morro Bay.

I don't think its a matter of just size but exactly where you are and what you are facing right there.

Photos of the moment are here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdot/11040850/

Bill French,
Satisfied Three
DeFever Passagemaker 40

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Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui)

Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't
read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to try
again.

Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West
Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here in
the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat
and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an
example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question.

THE QUESTION:

What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For
instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

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John, Some years ago there were photos of a well known west coast boat, MoJo, based in Newport Beach, printed in Pacific Skipper, among others. The "professional" captain (unlicensed), with George C. Scott and his wife aboard, chose to leave Morro Bay after a storm. The boat took seas over the bow at the mouth of the bay that removed most everything above the shear line. As I recall the boat was about eighty-five feet long (later lengthened to one hundred and five feet). Others were making the passage north at the very time just off Morro Bay. I don't think its a matter of just size but exactly where you are and what you are facing right there. Photos of the moment are here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdot/11040850/ Bill French, Satisfied Three DeFever Passagemaker 40 -----Original Message----- From: Truelove39@aol.com To: scottebulger@comcast.net; mikem@yachtsdelivered.com Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Sent: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:01:57 EDT Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui) Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to try again. Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here in the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question. THE QUESTION: What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait. Regards, John "Seahorse" _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

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Alan

Tue, Jun 13, 2006 6:21 PM

you may want to specify whether you want the answer as if it was from a
delivery captain -- who as i read the thread -- would not want any risk of
something falling and causing some damage, as opposed to a decision that an
owner would reasonably make if he was going to move the boat.

just my 2 cents
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From: Passagemaking Under Power List
Date: 06/13/06 07:02:14
To: scottebulger@comcast.net; mikem@yachtsdelivered.com
Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui)

Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't
read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to
try
again.

Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West
Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here
in
the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat
and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an
example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question.

THE QUESTION:

What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For
instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List
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you may want to specify whether you want the answer as if it was from a delivery captain -- who as i read the thread -- would not want any risk of something falling and causing some damage, as opposed to a decision that an owner would reasonably make if he was going to move the boat. just my 2 cents -------Original Message------- From: Passagemaking Under Power List Date: 06/13/06 07:02:14 To: scottebulger@comcast.net; mikem@yachtsdelivered.com Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui) Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to try again. Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here in the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question. THE QUESTION: What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait. Regards, John "Seahorse" _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List .

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Nunas

Tue, Jun 13, 2006 9:07 PM

John,

That's a pretty clear statement, and not inflammatory at all. We suspect
that the answer cannot be as clear, as in our experience the waiting has to
do more with the human factor than with the boat. In other words, the boat
will generally take worse weather than we are willing to tolerate.
Moreover, each person will have a different notion of what a tolerable level
of discomfort is.

To illustrate, we were boating through the wilds of Papua New Guinea with a
very well built mono hull cruising sailboat (a steel Swanson) and three
sailing cats (two Fastbacks and a custom design, all fairly light). Having
been stuck behind an island for days, waiting for good weather, one morning
it was our turn to venture out and test the water. It was rough, really
rough, with waves way higher than AKAMA (a KK Whaleback). We reported same
and said that we were going to go, as we knew it would not likely get worse
and we only had about fifty miles to run to the next anchorage. The
sailboats headed out and we all set off. After an hour, nearly everyone on
the cats was sick as a dog and decided to turn back. We reluctantly did so
too, so as not to split from the group.

Concerning size, we have no experience with anything over 35 tons, so cannot
comment with confidence. However, we have been passagemaking in remote
areas for some time and do have an observation. When the going gets really
rough, it seems to us that everyone stays home, regardless of size. Many
times we have been stuck in various ports around the world and all of us,
from 30-footers to hundred footers were "waiting for a weather window". The
big yachts never seem to leave first. We suspect that when it is
uncomfortable for us it is likely uncomfortable for everyone.

We hope you find the right boat; keep asking these good questions.

Cheers,
Maurice & Louise-Ann
MV AKAMA

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Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui)

Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't
read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to
try
again.

Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West
Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here
in
the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat

and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an
example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question.

THE QUESTION:

What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For
instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

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John, That's a pretty clear statement, and not inflammatory at all. We suspect that the answer cannot be as clear, as in our experience the waiting has to do more with the human factor than with the boat. In other words, the boat will generally take worse weather than we are willing to tolerate. Moreover, each person will have a different notion of what a tolerable level of discomfort is. To illustrate, we were boating through the wilds of Papua New Guinea with a very well built mono hull cruising sailboat (a steel Swanson) and three sailing cats (two Fastbacks and a custom design, all fairly light). Having been stuck behind an island for days, waiting for good weather, one morning it was our turn to venture out and test the water. It was rough, really rough, with waves way higher than AKAMA (a KK Whaleback). We reported same and said that we were going to go, as we knew it would not likely get worse and we only had about fifty miles to run to the next anchorage. The sailboats headed out and we all set off. After an hour, nearly everyone on the cats was sick as a dog and decided to turn back. We reluctantly did so too, so as not to split from the group. Concerning size, we have no experience with anything over 35 tons, so cannot comment with confidence. However, we have been passagemaking in remote areas for some time and do have an observation. When the going gets really rough, it seems to us that everyone stays home, regardless of size. Many times we have been stuck in various ports around the world and all of us, from 30-footers to hundred footers were "waiting for a weather window". The big yachts never seem to leave first. We suspect that when it is uncomfortable for us it is likely uncomfortable for everyone. We hope you find the right boat; keep asking these good questions. Cheers, Maurice & Louise-Ann MV AKAMA -----Original Message----- From: Truelove39@aol.com [mailto:Truelove39@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:02 To: scottebulger@comcast.net; mikem@yachtsdelivered.com Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui) Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to try again. Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here in the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question. THE QUESTION: What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait. Regards, John "Seahorse" _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 12-Jun-2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 12-Jun-2006

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Tim Johnson

Tue, Jun 13, 2006 9:45 PM

We took delivery of a new Nordhavn 57 in Dana Point, CA, in May, 1999,
and proceeded north to Seattle. As I recall, the trip took seven days.
We had gale force winds on our nose for two days and slowed to about
four knots. During this time the seas were 8' to 12' with the
occasional 16 footer. We were uncomfortable but not unsafe. I wouldn't
voluntarily expose myself to these conditions again, but if I had to, at
least I'd know the boat could take it. I don't think I'd want to be in
anything smaller or perhaps as important, lighter.

Timothy A. Johnson, Jr.
One Leeward Island
Clearwater, FL 33767
tjohnso1@tampabay.rr.com

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Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui)

Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks
don't
read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me
to try
again.

Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no
West
Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx
here in
the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40'
boat
and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as
an
example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question.

THE QUESTION:

What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For
instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

We took delivery of a new Nordhavn 57 in Dana Point, CA, in May, 1999, and proceeded north to Seattle. As I recall, the trip took seven days. We had gale force winds on our nose for two days and slowed to about four knots. During this time the seas were 8' to 12' with the occasional 16 footer. We were uncomfortable but not unsafe. I wouldn't voluntarily expose myself to these conditions again, but if I had to, at least I'd know the boat could take it. I don't think I'd want to be in anything smaller or perhaps as important, lighter. Timothy A. Johnson, Jr. One Leeward Island Clearwater, FL 33767 tjohnso1@tampabay.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces+tjohnso1=tampabay.rr.com@lists.samurai .com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces+tjohnso1=tampabay.rr.com@lists .samurai.com] On Behalf Of Truelove39@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:02 AM To: scottebulger@comcast.net; mikem@yachtsdelivered.com Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased (was: Delivering Alanui) Without meaning to be inflammatory, it often seems as though folks don't read the question. Or, perhaps, I didn't phrase it correctly. Allow me to try again. Someday, I want to own a larger boat than Seahorse (53'). I have no West Coast experience -- and, I'm not used to waiting for any reasonable wx here in the East. So, I'm trying to understand. I realize that Alanui is a 40' boat and would have to wait for conditions. I'm not attempting to use her as an example- the wait for wx simply prompted the question. THE QUESTION: What type/size boat would have been able to go without waiting. For instance, I'd think a Watson 72 would not have to wait. Regards, John "Seahorse" _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

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