Power factor correction power supplies has not been a BIG problem with my
OLD recycled equipment.
I tried to Cover that case in my end note,
With switchers, turn the variact to normal and use the other safety features
and a big enough light bulb to keep from blowing it all up if something is
wrong.
ws
Poul-Henning Kamp phk at phk.freebsd.dk
In message "WarrenS" writes:
I don't plug ANYTHING new to me, directly into the line the first time I
try
it.
(especially if it had a blown fuse)
Here is the solution that I use for a universal, general purpose, tester
for
Old (and new) equipment.
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
I don't plug ANYTHING new to me, directly into the line the first time I
try
it.
(especially if it had a blown fuse)
Here is the solution that I use for a universal, general purpose, tester
for
Old (and new) equipment.
This is a great tool that can be used for trouble things that draw too
much
current, has shorts, for reforming caps, Testing line voltage sensitivity
etc, etc.
First time powered up test equipment is powered from:
A line voltage rate light bulb in series, starting with a low wattage
and
working your way up.
The light bulb acts Nonlinear variable dropping resistor, which act like a
current limit and will limit the max current to a safe value but still
have
minimum effect at lower currents due to it's Hi TC.
The voltage to the Light bulb comes which from adjustable variact.
The voltage rise and the Time at each voltage setting is a learned
function
and depends on what is being tested.
If you're in a hurry, set it to the nominal line output and flip the
switch.
The rest of the stuff will still provide protection.
The Variact is plugged into a KillAwatt meter
Used to constantly monitor the power, If it shows too much power is being
used, ... Well don't let it do that..
The Kill-a-W is plugged into a solatron 1 to 1 line regulating
transformer.
My Line regulating Solitron has the very desirable built in characteristic
that it goes into a saturation mode that limits the max output power if
overloaded
If not overloaded, it outputs a constant voltage.
Have a few resetable and/or standard fuses in there to be over safe.
The proper use of the variact's output voltage has a learning curve,
because
equipment with switchers behave differently than things with linearly
supplies
ws
I like your test method, Warren.
Regarding switch-mode power supply issues: Once or twice a year we had power
brown-outs in the neighborhood where I used to work. The lights would dim,
but power wouldn't necessarily cut-out completely right away. You could hear
various computers and pieces of equipment intermittently beeping or humming,
and relays clicking in some equipment. At that point we would manually
turn-off all equipment as quickly as possible!
After power returned to normal and we turned everything back on, there was
about a 50% chance one or more HP 8662A signal generators were smoked. The
problem was always the switch mode power supplies in them. Most HP equipment
seemed to survive the brown-out, but, based on those experiences, I would be
leery (if not downright afraid) to try running a 8662A on reduced AC primary
voltage.
-Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "ws at Yahoo" warrensjmail-one@yahoo.com
To: volt-nuts@febo.com; time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Safe power-up. was (Solartron 7075 ...)
Power factor correction power supplies has not been a BIG problem with my
OLD recycled equipment.
I tried to Cover that case in my end note,
With switchers, turn the variact to normal and use the other safety features
and a big enough light bulb to keep from blowing it all up if something is
wrong.
ws
Poul-Henning Kamp phk at phk.freebsd.dk
In message "WarrenS" writes:
I don't plug ANYTHING new to me, directly into the line the first time I
try
it.
(especially if it had a blown fuse)
Here is the solution that I use for a universal, general purpose, tester
for
Old (and new) equipment.
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
I don't plug ANYTHING new to me, directly into the line the first time I
try
it.
(especially if it had a blown fuse)
Here is the solution that I use for a universal, general purpose, tester
for
Old (and new) equipment.
This is a great tool that can be used for trouble things that draw too
much
current, has shorts, for reforming caps, Testing line voltage sensitivity
etc, etc.
First time powered up test equipment is powered from:
A line voltage rate light bulb in series, starting with a low wattage
and
working your way up.
The light bulb acts Nonlinear variable dropping resistor, which act like a
current limit and will limit the max current to a safe value but still
have
minimum effect at lower currents due to it's Hi TC.
The voltage to the Light bulb comes which from adjustable variact.
The voltage rise and the Time at each voltage setting is a learned
function
and depends on what is being tested.
If you're in a hurry, set it to the nominal line output and flip the
switch.
The rest of the stuff will still provide protection.
The Variact is plugged into a KillAwatt meter
Used to constantly monitor the power, If it shows too much power is being
used, ... Well don't let it do that..
The Kill-a-W is plugged into a solatron 1 to 1 line regulating
transformer.
My Line regulating Solitron has the very desirable built in characteristic
that it goes into a saturation mode that limits the max output power if
overloaded
If not overloaded, it outputs a constant voltage.
Have a few resetable and/or standard fuses in there to be over safe.
The proper use of the variact's output voltage has a learning curve,
because
equipment with switchers behave differently than things with linearly
supplies
ws
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I recall a similar method in the past, it was great for linear
supplies. An interesting development is that incandescent bulbs are
being phased out of the USA by 2014, locally I haven't seen one
installed in over 5 years. In my household, I don't have any
anymore. Since the price is on par with CFL, most everyone I know
are using them since 2005. In Canada, you can't even find them in stores.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs
At 08:55 PM 10/10/2011, gbusg wrote:
I like your test method, Warren.
Regarding switch-mode power supply issues: Once or twice a year we had power
brown-outs in the neighborhood where I used to work. The lights would dim,
but power wouldn't necessarily cut-out completely right away. You could hear
various computers and pieces of equipment intermittently beeping or humming,
and relays clicking in some equipment. At that point we would manually
turn-off all equipment as quickly as possible!
After power returned to normal and we turned everything back on, there was
about a 50% chance one or more HP 8662A signal generators were smoked. The
problem was always the switch mode power supplies in them. Most HP equipment
seemed to survive the brown-out, but, based on those experiences, I would be
leery (if not downright afraid) to try running a 8662A on reduced AC primary
voltage.
-Greg
Best Wishes,
Marv Gozum
Philadelphia
You will still find at least one bulb in your baking oven.
With best regards
Andreas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marv Gozum @ JHN" marvin.gozum@jefferson.edu
To: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:23 PM
Subject: [volt-nuts] the end of light bulbs as we know it was Re: Safe
power-up. was (Solartron 7075 ...)
I recall a similar method in the past, it was great for linear supplies.
An interesting development is that incandescent bulbs are being phased out
of the USA by 2014, locally I haven't seen one installed in over 5 years.
In my household, I don't have any anymore. Since the price is on par with
CFL, most everyone I know are using them since 2005. In Canada, you can't
even find them in stores.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs
You're right Andreas, now that you mention it, I forgot, I have 3
then, my microwave and refrigerator are all c1990 something.
At 04:27 PM 10/11/2011, Andreas Jahn wrote:
You will still find at least one bulb in your baking oven.
With best regards
Andreas
Best Wishes,
Marv Gozum
Philadelphia