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Re: [volt-nuts] Fluke differential meters

JF
J. Forster
Wed, Aug 7, 2013 1:05 PM

They are useful for testing power supplies for regulation. In fact, IMO,
they are better for that than a DMM.

Basically, you null the meter at light load, then apply a load and read
the voltage (drop) out directly. It's trivial to see 1 mV on 100 V.

YMMV,

-John

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Joe wrote:

The first one is a Fluke 893A and is solid state.
*  *  *
The second one is a Fluke 803B (I think. There is no label on it).
*  *  *
In the long run, are these things worth having?

What they are good for is making DC measurements of very high
resistance sources without loading the source.  They contain an
internal voltage reference, a voltage divider, and a null meter that
compares the divided reference to the unknown.  Their accuracy
depends on the accuracy of the internal reference and the voltage
divider and the noise and offset of the null amp.  [The 893A and 803B
also include both a normal TVM/VTVM mode and an AC rectifier, which
are nothing special.]

Separate, high-accuracy components -- a precision woltage source such
as a Fluke 732A, a Kelvin-Varley bridge such as the Fluke 720A, and a
null meter such as the Keithley 155, Fluke 845A, or HP 419A -- can be
used in the null configuration to make voltage measurements about as
accurate as most home-lab amateurs can aspire to.

In the 803B and 893A, the voltage reference and divider accuracy and
the null amp noise and offset are not as good as in the above
instruments, so both the accuracy and resolution of measurements are
correspondingly less.  Typically, the last decade or two provide
resolution but not accuracy.

These days, unless you are measuring DC sources with very high
resistance, a good DVM can do the same job more accurately and with
much less effort.  But they are cool pieces of instrumentation
history, so if you are the curator type they may be worth having even
if you don't use them much or at all.

Best regards,

Charles


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They are useful for testing power supplies for regulation. In fact, IMO, they are better for that than a DMM. Basically, you null the meter at light load, then apply a load and read the voltage (drop) out directly. It's trivial to see 1 mV on 100 V. YMMV, -John ====================== > Joe wrote: > >>The first one is a Fluke 893A and is solid state. >> * * * >>The second one is a Fluke 803B (I think. There is no label on it). >> * * * >>In the long run, are these things worth having? > > What they are good for is making DC measurements of very high > resistance sources without loading the source. They contain an > internal voltage reference, a voltage divider, and a null meter that > compares the divided reference to the unknown. Their accuracy > depends on the accuracy of the internal reference and the voltage > divider and the noise and offset of the null amp. [The 893A and 803B > also include both a normal TVM/VTVM mode and an AC rectifier, which > are nothing special.] > > Separate, high-accuracy components -- a precision woltage source such > as a Fluke 732A, a Kelvin-Varley bridge such as the Fluke 720A, and a > null meter such as the Keithley 155, Fluke 845A, or HP 419A -- can be > used in the null configuration to make voltage measurements about as > accurate as most home-lab amateurs can aspire to. > > In the 803B and 893A, the voltage reference and divider accuracy and > the null amp noise and offset are not as good as in the above > instruments, so both the accuracy and resolution of measurements are > correspondingly less. Typically, the last decade or two provide > resolution but not accuracy. > > These days, unless you are measuring DC sources with very high > resistance, a good DVM can do the same job more accurately and with > much less effort. But they are cool pieces of instrumentation > history, so if you are the curator type they may be worth having even > if you don't use them much or at all. > > Best regards, > > Charles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >