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Re: TWL: Translation of Brazilian post

P
PBrowne900@aol.com
Wed, Jan 12, 2000 11:46 PM

In a message dated 00-01-12 14:59:37 EST, mknott@bcpl.net writes:

it may be helpful if they continue to use you as translator (each way)
so there is no confusion.

Po Chang's translation skills are truly superior Mel, but the original is so
intriguing.  My mind raced when I read "transformam-se em poderoso
afrodisaco."

Isn't the web great.  Maybe in a few years computer translations will be good
enough to unite us all.  The web has already made it nearly impossible for
governments to control the transfer of information.  Think what will happen
when we all have friends we can understand and trust in North Korea and
Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka and Afganistan.  We'll know what is really going on.

Po Chang, here's a recent response I sent to Jos.  I don't know whether he
would like a translation.  If he can take some lines off the hull, it will
help a great deal in determining how much weight it can handle higher up.  A
hull is usually easier to measure from the inside when it is empty.  I can
suggest a method if Jos wants:

Subj:  Re: En: Hello from Brazil 2
Date:  01/11/00
To: jalino@zaz.com.br
CC: n.rogers@ns.sympatico.ca, dmcleod@fox.nstn.ca

Dear Jos,

On this trawlerworld list, sending a response by using the "reply" button
will send a message only to the person who sent you the e-mail.  To make sure
your response goes to the whole trawler list, you need to use the "reply to
all" button.  The note you sent to me did not go to the rest of the list.  I
think your project will be of interest to others, so you might post your last
note there if you like.

I have already sent copies to Neil Rogers and Don McLeod in Nova Scotia,
Canada.  These fellows are working on a turning a lifeboat into a pleasure
boat.  I hope you don't mind.

You will have an impressive boat when you are done.  Long, narrow boats tend
to use power efficiently.  If you intend to operate your boat at displacement
speeds (that is, speeds below those where the hull rises up and rides on top
of the water), then 90 to 100 horsepower sounds like a good initial estimate.
I have a chart which estimates the horsepower required, based on the boat's
length and weight, and the speed desired.  If you like, I can send it to you.

The shape of the hull is also important.  Do you have a set of lines for the
hull?  By "lines" I mean those lines formed by the intersection of the hull
surface with vertical and horizontal planes.  The "lines" can be used to
calculate numbers that predict static and dynamic performance and stability.
If you look at my web site at http://members.aol.com/PBrowne900/boat.html,
you will see a link to a site which allows you to download computer programs
to be used in this way.  Before I started work on my boat, I measured the
lines of the hull, and this has helped a good deal in determining the
ultimate weight of the boat, the ballast required, and the boat's expected
stability and speed.  If you don't have a set of lines for your hull, you
might measure the empty hull now, when it is easy to do.

You asked about cost.  You can spend as much as you like, and there are some
on the trawlerworld list who would spend a good deal.  But you can also have
a very pleasing boat for not too much money, if you are willing to do the
work yourself, and are careful with the equipment you choose.  For example, I
estimate that I will spend about $3000 on the little boat that I am building,
not including the engine and hull, which I bought together.  Your boat is a
lot longer than mine, but not so much wider.  Also, much of the your
equipment will not need to be very different from what I will use.  So here
in the USA, maybe you could have a nice boat for twice what I plan to spend,
maybe less.  I don't know about prices in Brazil.

Paul Browne

In a message dated 00-01-12 14:59:37 EST, mknott@bcpl.net writes: > it may be helpful if they continue to use you as translator (each way) > so there is no confusion. Po Chang's translation skills are truly superior Mel, but the original is so intriguing. My mind raced when I read "transformam-se em poderoso afrodisaco." Isn't the web great. Maybe in a few years computer translations will be good enough to unite us all. The web has already made it nearly impossible for governments to control the transfer of information. Think what will happen when we all have friends we can understand and trust in North Korea and Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka and Afganistan. We'll know what is really going on. Po Chang, here's a recent response I sent to Jos. I don't know whether he would like a translation. If he can take some lines off the hull, it will help a great deal in determining how much weight it can handle higher up. A hull is usually easier to measure from the inside when it is empty. I can suggest a method if Jos wants: Subj: Re: En: Hello from Brazil 2 Date: 01/11/00 To: jalino@zaz.com.br CC: n.rogers@ns.sympatico.ca, dmcleod@fox.nstn.ca Dear Jos, On this trawlerworld list, sending a response by using the "reply" button will send a message only to the person who sent you the e-mail. To make sure your response goes to the whole trawler list, you need to use the "reply to all" button. The note you sent to me did not go to the rest of the list. I think your project will be of interest to others, so you might post your last note there if you like. I have already sent copies to Neil Rogers and Don McLeod in Nova Scotia, Canada. These fellows are working on a turning a lifeboat into a pleasure boat. I hope you don't mind. You will have an impressive boat when you are done. Long, narrow boats tend to use power efficiently. If you intend to operate your boat at displacement speeds (that is, speeds below those where the hull rises up and rides on top of the water), then 90 to 100 horsepower sounds like a good initial estimate. I have a chart which estimates the horsepower required, based on the boat's length and weight, and the speed desired. If you like, I can send it to you. The shape of the hull is also important. Do you have a set of lines for the hull? By "lines" I mean those lines formed by the intersection of the hull surface with vertical and horizontal planes. The "lines" can be used to calculate numbers that predict static and dynamic performance and stability. If you look at my web site at http://members.aol.com/PBrowne900/boat.html, you will see a link to a site which allows you to download computer programs to be used in this way. Before I started work on my boat, I measured the lines of the hull, and this has helped a good deal in determining the ultimate weight of the boat, the ballast required, and the boat's expected stability and speed. If you don't have a set of lines for your hull, you might measure the empty hull now, when it is easy to do. You asked about cost. You can spend as much as you like, and there are some on the trawlerworld list who would spend a good deal. But you can also have a very pleasing boat for not too much money, if you are willing to do the work yourself, and are careful with the equipment you choose. For example, I estimate that I will spend about $3000 on the little boat that I am building, not including the engine and hull, which I bought together. Your boat is a lot longer than mine, but not so much wider. Also, much of the your equipment will not need to be very different from what I will use. So here in the USA, maybe you could have a nice boat for twice what I plan to spend, maybe less. I don't know about prices in Brazil. Paul Browne
E
einter@PACBELL.NET
Thu, Jan 13, 2000 12:03 AM

Having just returned from 3 weeks in Rio and Parat, might I ask if
this boat being built is one of the uniquely Brazilian hulls that
look like a powered schooner?.  They seem to be the fishing vessel of
choice on the coast south of Rio and I'd never seen anything quite
like them.

Incidentally, there was a gorgeous, drool-worthy, dark-hulled
mega-trawler anchored off punto negro beach near Parati on the 27th
or 28th of December...dark hull, looked like a Ray Hunt design of
around 70 feet or so...boy oh boy was that one gorgeous trawler.  The
coast south of Rio would seem perfect for cruising but it doesn't
seem like there are that many takers.

-Ted

Having just returned from 3 weeks in Rio and Parat, might I ask if this boat being built is one of the uniquely Brazilian hulls that look like a powered schooner?. They seem to be the fishing vessel of choice on the coast south of Rio and I'd never seen anything quite like them. Incidentally, there was a gorgeous, drool-worthy, dark-hulled mega-trawler anchored off punto negro beach near Parati on the 27th or 28th of December...dark hull, looked like a Ray Hunt design of around 70 feet or so...boy oh boy was that one gorgeous trawler. The coast south of Rio would seem perfect for cruising but it doesn't seem like there are that many takers. -Ted