Manta 44 plus Endeavour Trawlercat 48

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bill
Mon, Dec 31, 2007 10:51 PM

reviews in Feb '08 PassageMaker mag....FWIW!

Bill

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Roger Bingham
Tue, Jan 1, 2008 9:56 AM

Hi Bill

I am always wary of the differences (caused by the Atlantic Ocean) in the
language we share.

Your comment "FWIW" in England generally means it isn't worth very much!

If this is what you meant, perhaps you could share with us the reasons for
your opinion?

Regards

Roger Bingham
France

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces+rbingham=tele2.fr@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces+rbingham=tele2.fr@lists.samurai.com] On
Behalf Of bill
Sent: 31 December 2007 23:51
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] Manta 44 plus Endeavour Trawlercat 48

reviews in Feb '08 PassageMaker mag....FWIW!

Bill

Hi Bill I am always wary of the differences (caused by the Atlantic Ocean) in the language we share. Your comment "FWIW" in England generally means it isn't worth very much! If this is what you meant, perhaps you could share with us the reasons for your opinion? Regards Roger Bingham France > -----Original Message----- > From: power-catamaran-bounces+rbingham=tele2.fr@lists.samurai.com > [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces+rbingham=tele2.fr@lists.samurai.com] On > Behalf Of bill > Sent: 31 December 2007 23:51 > To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com > Subject: [PCW] Manta 44 plus Endeavour Trawlercat 48 > > reviews in Feb '08 PassageMaker mag....FWIW! > > > > Bill
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bill
Tue, Jan 1, 2008 1:33 PM

Hello Roger,

FWIW did reflect a prejudice on my part toward boat
reviews in this magazine due to lack of consistency in
covering a 'standard list' of items when doing
reviews.  Construction, performance, fuel consumption,
price, etc, etc.  Establish a list of essential
information that should be included in a boat
assessment, then let artistic license flourish (as it
does).

In this case I found both articles consistent, well
written, concise and quite complete.  Plus back to
back reviews of two great powercats was a nice touch.

regards,
Bill

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Hello Roger, FWIW did reflect a prejudice on my part toward boat reviews in this magazine due to lack of consistency in covering a 'standard list' of items when doing reviews. Construction, performance, fuel consumption, price, etc, etc. Establish a list of essential information that should be included in a boat assessment, then let artistic license flourish (as it does). In this case I found both articles consistent, well written, concise and quite complete. Plus back to back reviews of two great powercats was a nice touch. regards, Bill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Roger Bingham
Tue, Jan 1, 2008 4:29 PM

Thanks Bill, I agree with your general comments regarding boat tests/reviews
in magazines.

I subscribe to 3 (printed) boat mags and read others on-line.

I understand that some US mags are accused of catering to their advertisers
rather than their readers offering fairly bland descriptions rather than
objective critiques.

One review I read just a few days ago as a result of a comment on this list
was (IMHO) worthless. I could have written it by just paraphrasing the
brochure.

British boat tests are generally just that. Tests.
The chances of a healthy blow resulting in challenging seas are probably
better than Florida (hurricane season excepted) but the testers offer
constructive, critical comment when necessary, balanced by praise for
features when appropriate.
The ergonomics of the helm/instruments/controls are commented on and any
shortcomings in visibility, safe movement during passage or where style has
dominated over function etc etc will be covered.

The fuel consumption figures for the Endeavour cat are at odds with the
manufacturers data.

http://www.yanmarmarine.com/products/pdf/LYA_CX/6LY2A_TechData.pdf

The Yanmar 440hp engines burn about 23gph each at WOT - the review claims
8gph - an obvious misprint but even at 3000rpm the review claims 13.5gph
where Yanmar data states circa 17gph. Something doesn't add up here!

Bill Jacob's article does not make it clear whether his data refers to each
engine or total consumption. Misleading!

The fuel data for the Manta looks to be accurate for a total consumption.

I love Passagemaker Magazine for its in-depth approach to subjects that are
often covered in a few inadequate paragraphs elsewhere. Keep it up, Bill
(Parlatore).

Regards

Roger Bingham
France

-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-
catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of bill
Sent: 01 January 2008 14:33
To: Power Catamaran List
Subject: Re: [PCW] Manta 44 plus Endeavour Trawlercat 48

Hello Roger,

FWIW did reflect a prejudice on my part toward boat
reviews in this magazine due to lack of consistency in
covering a 'standard list' of items when doing
reviews.  Construction, performance, fuel consumption,
price, etc, etc.  Establish a list of essential
information that should be included in a boat
assessment, then let artistic license flourish (as it
does).

In this case I found both articles consistent, well
written, concise and quite complete.  Plus back to
back reviews of two great powercats was a nice touch.

regards,
Bill



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Thanks Bill, I agree with your general comments regarding boat tests/reviews in magazines. I subscribe to 3 (printed) boat mags and read others on-line. I understand that some US mags are accused of catering to their advertisers rather than their readers offering fairly bland descriptions rather than objective critiques. One review I read just a few days ago as a result of a comment on this list was (IMHO) worthless. I could have written it by just paraphrasing the brochure. British boat tests are generally just that. Tests. The chances of a healthy blow resulting in challenging seas are probably better than Florida (hurricane season excepted) but the testers offer constructive, critical comment when necessary, balanced by praise for features when appropriate. The ergonomics of the helm/instruments/controls are commented on and any shortcomings in visibility, safe movement during passage or where style has dominated over function etc etc will be covered. The fuel consumption figures for the Endeavour cat are at odds with the manufacturers data. http://www.yanmarmarine.com/products/pdf/LYA_CX/6LY2A_TechData.pdf The Yanmar 440hp engines burn about 23gph each at WOT - the review claims 8gph - an obvious misprint but even at 3000rpm the review claims 13.5gph where Yanmar data states circa 17gph. Something doesn't add up here! Bill Jacob's article does not make it clear whether his data refers to each engine or total consumption. Misleading! The fuel data for the Manta looks to be accurate for a total consumption. I love Passagemaker Magazine for its in-depth approach to subjects that are often covered in a few inadequate paragraphs elsewhere. Keep it up, Bill (Parlatore). Regards Roger Bingham France > -----Original Message----- > From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power- > catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of bill > Sent: 01 January 2008 14:33 > To: Power Catamaran List > Subject: Re: [PCW] Manta 44 plus Endeavour Trawlercat 48 > > Hello Roger, > > FWIW did reflect a prejudice on my part toward boat > reviews in this magazine due to lack of consistency in > covering a 'standard list' of items when doing > reviews. Construction, performance, fuel consumption, > price, etc, etc. Establish a list of essential > information that should be included in a boat > assessment, then let artistic license flourish (as it > does). > > In this case I found both articles consistent, well > written, concise and quite complete. Plus back to > back reviews of two great powercats was a nice touch. > > > regards, > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List