Hi Bob, I'm somewhat fimiliar with this vessel project, and intend to look into one for another friend/client while I am in Thai Jan/Feb coming up. I'll contact you off list Brian Eiland beiland@usa.net <www.RunningTideYachts.com> distinctive expedition yachts ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:50:00 PM EST From: Bob Kupps <n6bk@yahoo.com> To: powercat list <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Subject: [PCW] Motorsailer cat The cat has a sailing hull form that has evolved over several iterations designed and built by Tim Mumby in Australia, and further tweaked by at lest 2 NAs. LWL is 49' and hull L/B is 12.5/1. My boat had the 4mm plating computer cut in Oz then shipped to Thailand where the hull was welded up by BP Marine near Bangkok. BP is a very expeienced yard for alloy boat fabrication and the workmanship was excellent - I don't plan to fair or paint it other than anti-fouling and deck non-skid. My cruising ground is the trans-equatorial region of the W Pacific and Indian Oceans, where there are frequent calms. In an effort to improve passage making performance I expanded the fuel capacity of the bilge tanks, increased the power from the 39hp Yanmar saildrives to 50hp and have fitted self-pitching Autoprops. I also changed the headsail rig from overlapping jib and spinnaker/prodder to a blade jib and a roller furled flat cut screacher on a parallel headstay off a fixed sprit. The mast was also lengthened 2.5m to get a bit more sail area and higher aspect ratio to improve light air upwind performance.. I disagree with some of the postings on this forum that motorsailer rigs should be designed for off wind use. Let's say I'm headed due West on a 1500nm passage from Phuket to Chagos and am motoring at 7kts with one engine on a calm night. Since we cruise in the usual areas in the usual seasons, a nice 7kt NE breeze springs up at 120 degrees off the bow. This results in an apparent wind change (from 7kts dead ahead) to 60 degrees off the bow - not too good for your average MPS but no problem for the big flat cut screacher. Of course when the sails are actually deployed, the boat will speed up from 7kts, bringing the apparent wind even farther forward. The boat was recently launched and was motored 1300nm from Bangkok around Singapore up to her home port of Phuket where she is again on the hardstand for interior fitout and rigging. The delivery took 6 1/2 days including 2 r&r layovers and a fuel stop. Motion under power was very pleasant with good pitch damping. I don't have a website but anyone seriously interested in this design can contact the builder at marineware@loxifo.co.th for more information and pictures, layout etc.just tell him I referred you off this forum please. I will update the forum when I can get good performance measurements. Fair winds Bob n6bk@yahoo.com Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. X-Apparently-To: n6bk@yahoo.com via 206.190.48.126; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:58:05 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [205.207.28.81] Authentication-Results: mta543.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=lists.samurai.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 205.207.28.81 (EHLO lists.samurai.com) (205.207.28.81) by mta543.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:58:02 -0800 Received: from lists.samurai.com (lists.samurai.com [205.207.28.81]) by lists.samurai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ED791E56; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:58:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Delivered-To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Received: from localhost (lists.samurai.com [205.207.28.81]) by lists.samurai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0F691E46 for <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:57:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at lists.samurai.com Received: from lists.samurai.com ([205.207.28.81]) by localhost (lists.samurai.com [205.207.28.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id bsHLQj3IuQ0b for <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by lists.samurai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6F391E49 for <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [99.243.20.141] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1J8e4D-0002gj-Bm for power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:57:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <104583.61926.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <104583.61926.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:53:53 -0500 To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> From: Georgs Kolesnikovs <georgs@powercatamaranworld.com> X-ELNK-Trace: d4586ef98693bf389ef193a6bfc3dd48f6a5bc74f92cf944932d069dc1daa00350e5dc5ab6323 efb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.243.20.141 Subject: [PCW] Motorsailer cat, was Anchors X-BeenThere: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> List-Id: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran.lists.samurai.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran>, <mailto:power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/power-catamaran> List-Post: <mailto:power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> List-Help: <mailto:power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran>, <mailto:power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com Errors-To: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com Bob Kupps wrote: >On my 50' alloy (motorsailer) cat which has a cruising displacement >of about 10 tons How about some information on your boat, Bob? Designer? Builders? Specs? Cruising grounds? Cruising plans? Are photos posted anywhere on the Web? --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.com _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List