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Ralph Yost

Tue, Mar 12, 2013 12:54 AM

Personally, I don't care for the Krogen Manatee (skipper Bob's boat). It's a
floating apartment, lots of living room, but no gunnels, has only one
steering station (above), is underpowered, and is slow even for a trawler. I
also don't like Volvo engines, which many of them have. Expensive parts if
you can get them.
But that's why there are so many boats to choose from....we all have our own
reasoning for our selection.
R.

-----Original Message-----
Good thoughts from Fred. Don't forget to consider the boat that Skipper Bob
picked out. The 36' Krogen manatee has excellent capacities if you're
willing to go slow. It's VERY livable. We're in Mobile doing a multi loop
trip and doing well.
I am a master mariner also and offer this: Keep it simple...the deck and
engineering crew is going to be smaller than you are accustomed to.
Ken and Ellen
Auk

Personally, I don't care for the Krogen Manatee (skipper Bob's boat). It's a floating apartment, lots of living room, but no gunnels, has only one steering station (above), is underpowered, and is slow even for a trawler. I also don't like Volvo engines, which many of them have. Expensive parts if you can get them. But that's why there are so many boats to choose from....we all have our own reasoning for our selection. R. -----Original Message----- Good thoughts from Fred. Don't forget to consider the boat that Skipper Bob picked out. The 36' Krogen manatee has excellent capacities if you're willing to go slow. It's VERY livable. We're in Mobile doing a multi loop trip and doing well. I am a master mariner also and offer this: Keep it simple...the deck and engineering crew is going to be smaller than you are accustomed to. Ken and Ellen Auk

JP

Joseph Pica

Tue, Mar 12, 2013 1:56 AM

Gee,
I know a lot of Krogen Manatees that have cruised a lot of miles. One
"Manatee" has just completed its 22nd loop and returned from the Caribbean.
As in many boats it is the skill of the captain that makes or breaks a boat
as a good cruising boat. That said, some boats can make a poor captain look
better but only a great captain uses any boat to its full potential which is
rare indeed.

Joe

M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com

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Subject: Re: GL: looking for advice

Personally, I don't care for the Krogen Manatee (skipper Bob's boat). It's a
floating apartment, lots of living room, but no gunnels, has only one
steering station (above), is underpowered, and is slow even for a trawler. I
also don't like Volvo engines, which many of them have. Expensive parts if
you can get them.
But that's why there are so many boats to choose from....we all have our own
reasoning for our selection.
R.

-----Original Message-----
Good thoughts from Fred. Don't forget to consider the boat that Skipper Bob
picked out. The 36' Krogen manatee has excellent capacities if you're
willing to go slow. It's VERY livable. We're in Mobile doing a multi loop
trip and doing well.
I am a master mariner also and offer this: Keep it simple...the deck and
engineering crew is going to be smaller than you are accustomed to.
Ken and Ellen
Auk

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Gee, I know a lot of Krogen Manatees that have cruised a lot of miles. One "Manatee" has just completed its 22nd loop and returned from the Caribbean. As in many boats it is the skill of the captain that makes or breaks a boat as a good cruising boat. That said, some boats can make a poor captain look better but only a great captain uses any boat to its full potential which is rare indeed. Joe M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37 MTOA# 3813 AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper) http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/ Joseph.pica@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Yost Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:55 PM To: 'Ken And Ellen'; fred@tug44.org Cc: 'Great Loop' Subject: Re: GL: looking for advice Personally, I don't care for the Krogen Manatee (skipper Bob's boat). It's a floating apartment, lots of living room, but no gunnels, has only one steering station (above), is underpowered, and is slow even for a trawler. I also don't like Volvo engines, which many of them have. Expensive parts if you can get them. But that's why there are so many boats to choose from....we all have our own reasoning for our selection. R. -----Original Message----- Good thoughts from Fred. Don't forget to consider the boat that Skipper Bob picked out. The 36' Krogen manatee has excellent capacities if you're willing to go slow. It's VERY livable. We're in Mobile doing a multi loop trip and doing well. I am a master mariner also and offer this: Keep it simple...the deck and engineering crew is going to be smaller than you are accustomed to. Ken and Ellen Auk _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

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Elaine Reib

Tue, Mar 12, 2013 3:44 AM

I agree with Joe. We lived on our Krogen Manatee for 8.5 years and we traveled over 44,000 miles and we didn't miss a thing because our keel was too deep or our pilot house was too high. Say what you want about no gunnels but after Bob had his heart attack and while he was recovering we went through the Erie canal and he drove the boat right up to the lock wall and from the top deck I put a line around a bollard and around a midship cleat and eased us up or down with no problems at all. I was taught how to do it and I did what I was taught. No strained muscles or pulled arms. Let the cleat do it's job. We spent the summer on the canals while Bob recovered. Yes there are 6 steps to clime but that was just good exercise to add to his daily routine.

Yes the boat has a lot of living space and we were often told we had a condo on the water. Bob was 6'2" and the head room was more than he or my 6'3" son needed. I can't remember the exact height. IF and I say IF you are lucky enough to find a Manatee for sale don't let her get away without going aboard and seeing what there is that we and many other people loved so much about that boat. Some people have changed the inside of the boat but if you find an original layout I know you will like it. Oh, and as for the speed, we chose to go at 2100 rpm / 8 kph. At that speed we used 1 gallon of diesel pr hour. When we wanted to pick it up we could push her to 3400 rpm / 10 knots and get in a bit faster but it burned 4 gph. By the way, we were not running a race, we were living our lives and out to see what we could.

Elaine Reib
Skipper Bob's widow

On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joseph Pica wrote:

Gee,
I know a lot of Krogen Manatees that have cruised a lot of miles. One
"Manatee" has just completed its 22nd loop and returned from the Caribbean.
As in many boats it is the skill of the captain that makes or breaks a boat
as a good cruising boat. That said, some boats can make a poor captain look
better but only a great captain uses any boat to its full potential which is
rare indeed.

Joe

M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com

I agree with Joe. We lived on our Krogen Manatee for 8.5 years and we traveled over 44,000 miles and we didn't miss a thing because our keel was too deep or our pilot house was too high. Say what you want about no gunnels but after Bob had his heart attack and while he was recovering we went through the Erie canal and he drove the boat right up to the lock wall and from the top deck I put a line around a bollard and around a midship cleat and eased us up or down with no problems at all. I was taught how to do it and I did what I was taught. No strained muscles or pulled arms. Let the cleat do it's job. We spent the summer on the canals while Bob recovered. Yes there are 6 steps to clime but that was just good exercise to add to his daily routine. Yes the boat has a lot of living space and we were often told we had a condo on the water. Bob was 6'2" and the head room was more than he or my 6'3" son needed. I can't remember the exact height. IF and I say IF you are lucky enough to find a Manatee for sale don't let her get away without going aboard and seeing what there is that we and many other people loved so much about that boat. Some people have changed the inside of the boat but if you find an original layout I know you will like it. Oh, and as for the speed, we chose to go at 2100 rpm / 8 kph. At that speed we used 1 gallon of diesel pr hour. When we wanted to pick it up we could push her to 3400 rpm / 10 knots and get in a bit faster but it burned 4 gph. By the way, we were not running a race, we were living our lives and out to see what we could. Elaine Reib Skipper Bob's widow On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joseph Pica wrote: > Gee, > I know a lot of Krogen Manatees that have cruised a lot of miles. One > "Manatee" has just completed its 22nd loop and returned from the Caribbean. > As in many boats it is the skill of the captain that makes or breaks a boat > as a good cruising boat. That said, some boats can make a poor captain look > better but only a great captain uses any boat to its full potential which is > rare indeed. > > Joe > > M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37 > MTOA# 3813 > AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper) > http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/ > Joseph.pica@gmail.com >

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