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Re: TWL: Georgs Pacific adventure on Nordhavn

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mikem@yachtsdelivered.com
Mon, Nov 12, 2001 4:21 PM

At 02:07 PM 11/12/01, you wrote:

I think we're all thinking the same thing right about now .... what the hell
are they doing working with such a small margin of error in fuel
consumption?  Talk about caviar on face if they have to hitchhike the last
100 miles .... oops

They will make it. Don't ever doubt it.
Without walking. But they may have to slow down. And that will take a while.

Anybody wish they could trade places with them?
You would have, if you could have, before you knew better!

The best part, is that we are safe and cozy and enjoying their adventure
without the torture.

Capt. Mike Maurice
Near Portland Oregon.

At 02:07 PM 11/12/01, you wrote: >I think we're all thinking the same thing right about now .... what the hell >are they doing working with such a small margin of error in fuel >consumption? Talk about caviar on face if they have to hitchhike the last >100 miles .... oops They will make it. Don't ever doubt it. Without walking. But they may have to slow down. And that will take a while. Anybody wish they could trade places with them? You would have, if you could have, before you knew better! The best part, is that we are safe and cozy and enjoying their adventure without the torture. Capt. Mike Maurice Near Portland Oregon.
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arider@bellsouth.net
Mon, Nov 12, 2001 4:28 PM

I am enjoying the daily log from Georg's and look forward to each posting.
I have always been in awe of those who travel the oceans and face the
unforgiving nature of the forces at work.
With that said...........

<copied from the Nordhavn site giving specifications on the 40'er>

"The result of over three years of development by Pacific Asian Enterprises,
(P.A.E.), she represents the smallest of Nordhavn's fleet of ocean-crossing
motor vessels. Yet her modest size does not limit her incredible, non-stop
cruising range. Thanks to a highly efficient, full displacement hull design
and a fuel capacity of over 900 gallons, she will cover more than 4,000
nautical miles at 7 knots and nearly 2,000 miles at 8.5 knots."

According to Georg's log, the trip is 2325 nm and the boat holds 900+
gallons of fuel.  They have estimated that they will have 80 nm of reserve
fuel when arriving,  based on worst case scenario fuel consumption.

Some questions:

  1. According to the ships actual calculated fuel burn and reserve....900+
    gallons gets you only 2405 nm at 5 - 6 knots....not even close to the
    specifications stated above....am I missing something?  Are these not
    critical points to be considered?  Has the weather been that bad?
    (Is that what Georg's meant when he said "mill pond"?)

  2. I am not a mathematician or a long range passage maker.....but according
    to their calculated fuel reserve on completion of the passage there will
    only be 4% of reserve fuel or 40 gallons.
    Is that normal for a 2325nm passage?  What if there is bad weather and the
    fuel consumption goes up?  Who is going to walk for fuel?  Isn't that too
    narrow a margin for a long passage?

DISCLAIMER
Bear in mind that I am a coastal cruiser that will beach it and walk for
fuel if needed and have no experience or knowledge of long range passage
making.  I barely passed all math classes.........and my questions are to
satisfy my own natural quest for knowledge of things unknown and not meant
to question anyone's ability or judgment, aboard or connected to the trip.

Bob Clinkenbeard
M/Y Twin Screws
1964 Chris Craft Roamer 56'
Under reconstruction in Savannah

I am enjoying the daily log from Georg's and look forward to each posting. I have always been in awe of those who travel the oceans and face the unforgiving nature of the forces at work. With that said........... <copied from the Nordhavn site giving specifications on the 40'er> "The result of over three years of development by Pacific Asian Enterprises, (P.A.E.), she represents the smallest of Nordhavn's fleet of ocean-crossing motor vessels. Yet her modest size does not limit her incredible, non-stop cruising range. Thanks to a highly efficient, full displacement hull design and a fuel capacity of over 900 gallons, she will cover more than 4,000 nautical miles at 7 knots and nearly 2,000 miles at 8.5 knots." According to Georg's log, the trip is 2325 nm and the boat holds 900+ gallons of fuel. They have estimated that they will have 80 nm of reserve fuel when arriving, based on worst case scenario fuel consumption. Some questions: 1. According to the ships actual calculated fuel burn and reserve....900+ gallons gets you only 2405 nm at 5 - 6 knots....not even close to the specifications stated above....am I missing something? Are these not critical points to be considered? Has the weather been that bad? (Is that what Georg's meant when he said "mill pond"?) 2. I am not a mathematician or a long range passage maker.....but according to their calculated fuel reserve on completion of the passage there will only be 4% of reserve fuel or 40 gallons. Is that normal for a 2325nm passage? What if there is bad weather and the fuel consumption goes up? Who is going to walk for fuel? Isn't that too narrow a margin for a long passage? DISCLAIMER Bear in mind that I am a coastal cruiser that will beach it and walk for fuel if needed and have no experience or knowledge of long range passage making. I barely passed all math classes.........and my questions are to satisfy my own natural quest for knowledge of things unknown and not meant to question anyone's ability or judgment, aboard or connected to the trip. Bob Clinkenbeard M/Y Twin Screws 1964 Chris Craft Roamer 56' Under reconstruction in Savannah
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Mon, Nov 12, 2001 7:07 PM

I think we're all thinking the same thing right about now .... what the hell
are they doing working with such a small margin of error in fuel
consumption?  Talk about caviar on face if they have to hitchhike the last
100 miles .... oops

Shaun Sweeney
aboard Rana III
GB 46' Alaskan #27
Lying Nanaimo Harbour
BC Canada

I think we're all thinking the same thing right about now .... what the hell are they doing working with such a small margin of error in fuel consumption? Talk about caviar on face if they have to hitchhike the last 100 miles .... oops Shaun Sweeney aboard Rana III GB 46' Alaskan #27 Lying Nanaimo Harbour BC Canada
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love@3dnet.com
Mon, Nov 12, 2001 7:54 PM

Shaun brings up an interesting point.  I would think these type of things would
have been worked out. However, even a broken line or leak of some kind could
lose or waste enough fuel to make the difference.  You think?

Lynn
Tampa

Shaun Sweeney wrote:

I think we're all thinking the same thing right about now .... what the hell
are they doing working with such a small margin of error in fuel
consumption?  Talk about caviar on face if they have to hitchhike the last
100 miles .... oops

Shaun Sweeney
aboard Rana III
GB 46' Alaskan #27
Lying Nanaimo Harbour
BC Canada

Shaun brings up an interesting point. I would think these type of things would have been worked out. However, even a broken line or leak of some kind could lose or waste enough fuel to make the difference. You think? Lynn Tampa Shaun Sweeney wrote: > I think we're all thinking the same thing right about now .... what the hell > are they doing working with such a small margin of error in fuel > consumption? Talk about caviar on face if they have to hitchhike the last > 100 miles .... oops > > Shaun Sweeney > aboard Rana III > GB 46' Alaskan #27 > Lying Nanaimo Harbour > BC Canada