Here's the answer from my query to Rose Point:

Version 1.0 is currently at an introductory price of $300. The price will go
up to $399 when version 1.1 is released. Version 2.0 (release date sometime
this winter) will be around $569. Buyers of version 1.0 and 1.1 will get a free
upgrade to version 2.0. After which time upgrades will be done on a
subscription basis each year, the rate has not been set, but will be reasonable.

No connection.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

Peter Pisciotta wrtes:

Rosepoint Navigation's "Coastal Explorer" version 1.1
is due to be released soon. According to their
website, it will be $399.99, a significant increase
over the current $300 price tag. Apparently, it will
have even more charts of better detail than the ENC's,
so it may be a turn-key purchase.

The are advertising a free upgrade for 1.0 users so if
you buy 1.0 now for $300, you will get 1.1 for $300
instead of the $400 price once released - check with
RosePoint for details. Their website says 1.1 will be
released at the end of April, so it's due any day.

Wow,  Those prices, and future upgrade policy is too bad.  I had high hopes
for CE, but with those future prices might just have to look at other
alternatives.....

-al-

----- Original Message -----
From: Truelove39@aol.com
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:54 AM
Subject: [PUP] Coastal Explorer - Version 1.1 due soon, at a price

Here's the answer from my query to Rose Point:

Version 1.0 is currently at an introductory price of $300. The price will go
up to $399 when version 1.1 is released. Version 2.0 (release date sometime
this winter) will be around $569. Buyers of version 1.0 and 1.1 will get a
free
upgrade to version 2.0. After which time upgrades will be done on a
subscription basis each year, the rate has not been set, but will be
reasonable.

No connection.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

"They have very little reason to price it below market."

true, assuming they have called the market and the sign of the
derivitive correctly.

but i point out you can buy GPSNavX plus a Mac Mini to run
it on for about the price of Coastal Explore 2.0, and then
you don't have to deal with MS Windoze, either.

it will be interesting to see how things play out.

as i've said before, chart plotter software is not rocket
science.  some of the best GIS software in the world is open
source and the distance from GIS to "chart plotter" is pretty
small.  historically the problem has been cartography.  with
NOAA releasing S-57 ECS charts on the net,  the current players'
ability to maintain the status quo with respect to price becomes
less and less likely with time.

cheers,
-mo

Hi Folks,

I'm doing research on the different passagemaker designs - and wanted to
get people's thoughts on the "Cable and Wireless Explorer" design. For
people who are serious about passagemaking - (and not storing the boat
at the dock for 11 months of the year) and have a significant budget
then this seems like a very, very competitive design.  My appeal is that
it could be a nice boat to tour islands with - but also fast enough that
crossing an ocean isn't a several week adventure.

While this was a one-off effort for a round-the-world record, it seems
to me to be a very good design in general for passagemaking - at least
on the high end (i.e. 80ft to 100ft. monohull).

The design is relatively simple, low power (2 times 350 hp Cummins
diesels)
Very fuel efficient
Fast - cruising at 22 knots, max 24 knots
Long range - 3,500 miles (on 16,000 liters of fuel)
Designed with seaworthiness, simplicity and reliability as key
attributes
All-weather stability (no need for paravanes, etc.)

Sure, the initial world-record breaking design would have to be adapted
to be more comfortable for consumer cruising - but some designs have
been done on this (see below).

Interestingly, the designer states that;

"So what we're trying to prove here is that we can go at a reasonable
speed for a very long way using a very, very simple tool with very basic
equipment in it," says Irens. "The idea is that as we approach the
millennium, we want to impress the world by a minimalist approach rather
than a maximal one."

Moreover - " It should be noted that the build cost of these vessels is
closely related to their deadweight and installed power rather than
overall length. So despite their apparently large dimensions, 'iLAN'
trimaran vessels are competitive when compared with "smaller" catamarans
and monohulls."

Check out these links:

Designing a boat back to the future
http://www.exn.ca/Stories/1998/04/24/58.asp

Cable and Wireless Explorer - Details
http://www.nigelirens.demon.co.uk/nid_power2.htm

New Designs based on same approach:
http://www.nigelirens.demon.co.uk/nid_power3.htm

Walter Schurtenberger, www.constellationyachts.com, built the
iLAN which was the prototype boat for the C&W Explorer.
He worked with Nigel Irens, the designer, for many years
and together they've designed and built boats that have
taken an easy dozen world records of various kinds.

once upon a time i was also taken by the C&W, enough so that
i found an address and emailed Nigel. we ended up chatting
about it at some length.

life changed and i never got to pursue that avenue, but finally
ended up down at Walter's for my project. imagine my surprise
the first time i walked into Walter's office and saw the
photographs and models of the iLAN, and he proceeded to explain
his relationship with Nigel.

In fact, the schooner-rigged catamaran on Walter's site was
also penned by Nigel and i had the immense pleasure of meeting
him when a yard visit for my project matched-up with the "Hull
Turning Party" for the "Schooner-maran".  my NavArch, Iver
Franzen, is in real life a schooner designer and the week was
full of quite spirited conversations about that boat,
especially the rig.

Nigel just started a new project up at Covey Island Boat Works,
i believe.

as Iver likes to say, "It's a very, very small waterfront."

-mo

Unabash plug: if you haven't seen Nova Scotia, you must

OK you guys, based upon such a deal, I have just purchased the program. I
spoke with Jeff who was the 4th person hired at Nobeltec and the creator of
this program. He has an 80 foot trawler. He is also the electronics editor
for Passagemaker Magazine. If you catch them in the office, they will now
take orders over the phone using VISA or MasterCard. This is for info only
as it updates other emails and avoids PayPal. He sounds like a good fellow
and was kind enough to give me some electronics advice. Just an uninformed
new customer.
Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: Truelove39@aol.com

| Here's the answer from my query to Rose Point:
|
| Version 1.0 is currently at an introductory price of $300. The price will
go
| up to $399 when version 1.1 is released. Version 2.0 (release date
sometime
| this winter) will be around $569. Buyers of version 1.0 and 1.1 will get a
free
| upgrade to version 2.0. After which time upgrades will be done on a
| subscription basis each year, the rate has not been set, but will be
reasonable.

Mike,

The common refrain I hear on these designs is that you pay a lot for a
boat that has very little room in them.  I'm wondering if that's really
true.

In your research, did you get a feel for how true Nigel's claims that
"the build cost of these vessels is closely related to their deadweight
and installed power rather than overall length. So despite their
apparently large dimensions, 'iLAN' trimaran vessels are competitive
when compared with "smaller" catamarans and monohulls."??

Do you think that a boat of the "iLAN" design could be cost competitive
with a traditional monohull design (done in Aluminum from a custom
builder) - when comparing boats of equal interior (usable) volume?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf
Of Mike O'Dell
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:28 PM
To: Passagemaking Under Power List
Subject: Re: [PUP] The future of Passagemaking?? C&W Explorer

Walter Schurtenberger, www.constellationyachts.com, built the
iLAN which was the prototype boat for the C&W Explorer.
He worked with Nigel Irens, the designer, for many years
and together they've designed and built boats that have
taken an easy dozen world records of various kinds.

once upon a time i was also taken by the C&W, enough so that
i found an address and emailed Nigel. we ended up chatting
about it at some length.

life changed and i never got to pursue that avenue, but finally
ended up down at Walter's for my project. imagine my surprise
the first time i walked into Walter's office and saw the
photographs and models of the iLAN, and he proceeded to explain
his relationship with Nigel.

In fact, the schooner-rigged catamaran on Walter's site was
also penned by Nigel and i had the immense pleasure of meeting
him when a yard visit for my project matched-up with the "Hull
Turning Party" for the "Schooner-maran".  my NavArch, Iver
Franzen, is in real life a schooner designer and the week was
full of quite spirited conversations about that boat,
especially the rig.

Nigel just started a new project up at Covey Island Boat Works,
i believe.

as Iver likes to say, "It's a very, very small waterfront."

-mo

Unabash plug: if you haven't seen Nova Scotia, you must

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