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Re: Do crystals still jump?

HM
Hal Murray
Sun, Sep 4, 2022 7:44 PM

Richard (Rick) Karlquist said:

A crystal might appear not to jump for while, but if observed long enough you
would always see a jump sooner or later. It wasn't like you could sort them
for "non-jumping" units.

What sort of time scale is there for "long enough"?

Is it something like earthquakes where smaller ones happen more often?

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Richard (Rick) Karlquist said: > A crystal might appear not to jump for while, but if observed long enough you > would always see a jump sooner or later. It wasn't like you could sort them > for "non-jumping" units. What sort of time scale is there for "long enough"? Is it something like earthquakes where smaller ones happen more often? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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Bob kb8tq
Mon, Sep 5, 2022 1:18 AM

Hi

Long enough could be a couple hours. Come back to the same part
after a while (months … years) and you might wait weeks. Look for
many years on just about any OCXO and you probably will see something.

Look for 1x10^-11 burps down in the noise and you will see lots of things
that might be a step. Look for stuff over 2 ppb on a modern SC based
part and you will wait a very long time. Do the steps get smaller on a
given OCXO? they don’t seem to …. are they always the same size? Nope.

If that’s confusing, you got it right. This is not a highly organized / easily
predicted sort of effect.

Bob

On Sep 4, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Hal Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Richard (Rick) Karlquist said:

A crystal might appear not to jump for while, but if observed long enough you
would always see a jump sooner or later. It wasn't like you could sort them
for "non-jumping" units.

What sort of time scale is there for "long enough"?

Is it something like earthquakes where smaller ones happen more often?

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Hi Long enough could be a couple hours. Come back to the same part after a while (months … years) and you might wait weeks. Look for many years on just about any OCXO and you probably will see something. Look for 1x10^-11 burps down in the noise and you will see lots of things that *might* be a step. Look for stuff over 2 ppb on a modern SC based part and you will wait a *very* long time. Do the steps get smaller on a given OCXO? they don’t seem to …. are they always the same size? Nope. If that’s confusing, you got it right. This is *not* a highly organized / easily predicted sort of effect. Bob > On Sep 4, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Hal Murray via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > Richard (Rick) Karlquist said: >> A crystal might appear not to jump for while, but if observed long enough you >> would always see a jump sooner or later. It wasn't like you could sort them >> for "non-jumping" units. > > What sort of time scale is there for "long enough"? > > Is it something like earthquakes where smaller ones happen more often? > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com