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Re: [PUP] NW Passage

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Robby & Dolores
Sun, Sep 25, 2005 6:46 AM

Bob ask: Any comments on prop cages to protect from ice?

I didn't see prop cages on any fishing boats in SE Alaska during the two
summers we cruised up there. In fact the only cages I've seen were on
Lobster boats in Maine.  What is common in SE Alaska, is sheathing on wood
hulls.  Our boat, The Dolores E., is sheathed with gumwood about 18 inches
above and below the waterline.  I'm not sure exactly what gumwood is, but I
know it is hard as hell.

I'm not sure what Idlewild had -- but she was tossed up onto an ice flow
with no apparent (or reported) damage to her prop(s).  David Scott Cowper's
converted British lifeboat 'Mabel E Holland', was designed to be launched
and recovered from the beach.  It had a pair of Gardner Diesels and I
believe the props were in a tunnel or could be raised up into a tunnel.  I
was aboard a sister ship when we were cruising in Scotland.

Another purpose built boat is Taonui, a pilothouse Aluminum sloop built on
traditional lines, with moderate overhangs, a full keel and deep bilges, by
Dubbel & Jesse in Norderney, Germany in 1988/89. The rudder is hung on the
back of the keel.  The propeller is in an aperture between the keel and the
rudder. The current owner, Tony Gooch, did a single-handed circumnavigation
on her. ( http://www.taonui.com/). I mention this boat, because the original
owner , a German who I met when he came through San Francisco, had her
specifically built to sail around North & South America (e.g. nw passage &
cape horn).  He accomplished this (Bermuda to Bermuda), however like our
current friends, a Canadian icebreaker physically picked up the boat and
carried it about 50 miles through the ice.  Unfortunately I don't remember
his name or the original name of the boat.  He did write a book -- published
in German.

Robby

Bob ask: Any comments on prop cages to protect from ice? I didn't see prop cages on any fishing boats in SE Alaska during the two summers we cruised up there. In fact the only cages I've seen were on Lobster boats in Maine. What is common in SE Alaska, is sheathing on wood hulls. Our boat, The Dolores E., is sheathed with gumwood about 18 inches above and below the waterline. I'm not sure exactly what gumwood is, but I know it is hard as hell. I'm not sure what Idlewild had -- but she was tossed up onto an ice flow with no apparent (or reported) damage to her prop(s). David Scott Cowper's converted British lifeboat 'Mabel E Holland', was designed to be launched and recovered from the beach. It had a pair of Gardner Diesels and I believe the props were in a tunnel or could be raised up into a tunnel. I was aboard a sister ship when we were cruising in Scotland. Another purpose built boat is Taonui, a pilothouse Aluminum sloop built on traditional lines, with moderate overhangs, a full keel and deep bilges, by Dubbel & Jesse in Norderney, Germany in 1988/89. The rudder is hung on the back of the keel. The propeller is in an aperture between the keel and the rudder. The current owner, Tony Gooch, did a single-handed circumnavigation on her. ( http://www.taonui.com/). I mention this boat, because the original owner , a German who I met when he came through San Francisco, had her specifically built to sail around North & South America (e.g. nw passage & cape horn). He accomplished this (Bermuda to Bermuda), however like our current friends, a Canadian icebreaker physically picked up the boat and carried it about 50 miles through the ice. Unfortunately I don't remember his name or the original name of the boat. He did write a book -- published in German. Robby
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Ron Rogers
Sun, Sep 25, 2005 3:19 PM

I know that US icebreakers use Monel ($$$) propellers as they survive ice
damage more that other alloys, but I don't know if they have tried cages or
Kort nozzles with grid work. I suspect that new construction might use a "Z"
drive if it can be powered by electric motors.
Ron Rogers

I know that US icebreakers use Monel ($$$) propellers as they survive ice damage more that other alloys, but I don't know if they have tried cages or Kort nozzles with grid work. I suspect that new construction might use a "Z" drive if it can be powered by electric motors. Ron Rogers