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Frank Burrows

Thu, Jan 3, 2008 10:46 PM

It really amazes me that there is no noticeable public reaction to these
increased prices. There are obviously a lot of actions that could be taken.
If you are a conservative like me then you would want to authorize offshore
drilling and Alaska exploration as well as incentives for the oil companies
to build more refineries. Lots of nuclear power.

I guess if you are a liberal or environmentalist then you want to ban big
vehicles, everybody drive a little Prius, lots more windmills, more mass
transportation, sailboats, bicycles and no growth policies.

I don't mean this as a political post but neither side seems upset at the
current prices and we all know this is not the end of the price hikes.
There is no crisis that caused these prices. There is no marching in the
street. This does not seem to be a big campaign issue. The American public
just seems to accept this as inevitable and irresolvable.

Strange

Frank Burrows

It really amazes me that there is no noticeable public reaction to these increased prices. There are obviously a lot of actions that could be taken. If you are a conservative like me then you would want to authorize offshore drilling and Alaska exploration as well as incentives for the oil companies to build more refineries. Lots of nuclear power. I guess if you are a liberal or environmentalist then you want to ban big vehicles, everybody drive a little Prius, lots more windmills, more mass transportation, sailboats, bicycles and no growth policies. I don't mean this as a political post but neither side seems upset at the current prices and we all know this is not the end of the price hikes. There is no crisis that caused these prices. There is no marching in the street. This does not seem to be a big campaign issue. The American public just seems to accept this as inevitable and irresolvable. Strange Frank Burrows

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Peter Gelinas

Thu, Jan 3, 2008 11:36 PM

It really amazes me that there is no noticeable public reaction to these
increased prices. The American public
just seems to accept this as inevitable and irresolvable.

Strange

Frank Burrows

I hope this isn't considered a political statement.

I think the Genie is out of the bottle, and we aren't going to get her (him)
back in again.

We have transferred a lot of our manufacturing and service industry to other
countries. These people look at us and decide they want some of the good life
too.

With 2,452 million people in India and China about to become consumer nations.
Spending the money we have been sending them for manufacturing the cheap goods
we so dearly love ... just those two nations alone are 8 times the population
of the US ....

Do you really think we are going to be able to control the price of oil? It
isn't the Arab and other oil producing nations who are at fault, they are
selling their product to the highest bidder. Thats just good old business!

WE are the problem. We sold our economy down the river for cheap shirts and
call centers open 24 hrs a day.

Gasoline and diesel isn't expensive! The problem is that North America is
becomming a 'third world nation' who can't afford the world price of gas and
oil (currently over $6.00/gal in Spain).

Peter

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> It really amazes me that there is no noticeable public reaction to these > increased prices. The American public > just seems to accept this as inevitable and irresolvable. > > Strange > > Frank Burrows I hope this isn't considered a political statement. I think the Genie is out of the bottle, and we aren't going to get her (him) back in again. We have transferred a lot of our manufacturing and service industry to other countries. These people look at us and decide they want some of the good life too. With 2,452 million people in India and China about to become consumer nations. Spending the money we have been sending them for manufacturing the cheap goods we so dearly love ... just those two nations alone are 8 times the population of the US .... Do you really think we are going to be able to control the price of oil? It isn't the Arab and other oil producing nations who are at fault, they are selling their product to the highest bidder. Thats just good old business! WE are the problem. We sold our economy down the river for cheap shirts and call centers open 24 hrs a day. Gasoline and diesel isn't expensive! The problem is that North America is becomming a 'third world nation' who can't afford the world price of gas and oil (currently over $6.00/gal in Spain). Peter _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon!

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Carl H. Martin

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 1:07 AM

With 2,452 million people in India and China about to become consumer
nations.
Spending the money we have been sending them for manufacturing the cheap
goods
we so dearly love ... just those two nations alone are 8 times the
population
of the US ....

Investors purchasing oil futures is as big a problem as demand. In fact
they help create demand. It's estimated that if all the pension funds who
have invested billions in oil futures walked away we would see a $20 drop in
the barrel price of crude.

Regarding sailboats, if a 50hp motor can push a 37ft sailboat it can push a
37ft trawler. My 30', 5 ton, soft chined full displacement trawler has a
40hp diesel that averages 3/4 of a gallon an hour. She has a 30' LWL (7.34
knot hull speed) & I typically cruise at about 7 knots. That's 9.33 miles
per gallon. And if I slowed to 6 knots I could do even better.

Wow! I finally get to brag about my small slow boat!

Carl Martin
Scout 30
Hudson Beach, FL

> With 2,452 million people in India and China about to become consumer > nations. > Spending the money we have been sending them for manufacturing the cheap > goods > we so dearly love ... just those two nations alone are 8 times the > population > of the US .... Investors purchasing oil futures is as big a problem as demand. In fact they help create demand. It's estimated that if all the pension funds who have invested billions in oil futures walked away we would see a $20 drop in the barrel price of crude. Regarding sailboats, if a 50hp motor can push a 37ft sailboat it can push a 37ft trawler. My 30', 5 ton, soft chined full displacement trawler has a 40hp diesel that averages 3/4 of a gallon an hour. She has a 30' LWL (7.34 knot hull speed) & I typically cruise at about 7 knots. That's 9.33 miles per gallon. And if I slowed to 6 knots I could do even better. Wow! I finally get to brag about my small slow boat! Carl Martin Scout 30 Hudson Beach, FL

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John Gaquin

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 4:47 PM

On Jan 3, 2008 6:36 PM, Peter Gelinas petergelinas@hotmail.com wrote:

... a 'third world nation' who can't afford the world price of gas and
oil (currently over $6.00/gal in Spain).

European and Asian countries pay essentially the same price we do for
crude. If they retail it for 100% more than US, the bulk of the
difference is likely in taxation.

On Jan 3, 2008 6:36 PM, Peter Gelinas <petergelinas@hotmail.com> wrote: > > ... a 'third world nation' who can't afford the world price of gas and > oil (currently over $6.00/gal in Spain). European and Asian countries pay essentially the same price we do for crude. If they retail it for 100% more than US, the bulk of the difference is likely in taxation.

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