Race Results August 22, 2012
To All
The forecast was for little wind and we got a beautiful 8 10 from the
south all evening. Wow. Thanks Mike, Holly, Sarah, Jon & Gary. What a
beautiful evening!
Id like to mention a protest that didnt happen. As I understand it, Boat A
was beating on starboard and Boats B and C were on port. Boat A hailed Boat
B to tack. Boat B fouled her jib sheets and couldnt tack, causing Boat A to
alter course. Boat C never tried to tack because she felt Boat B was between
her and Boat A. There was some exchange of words between all three boats and
Boat A felt she should protest both Boats B and C. But Boat A didnt follow
through.
Now, the way I see things this was a clear infraction of Boat B (and maybe
C) on Boat A. If Boat A wanted to protest, she must tell Boats B and C that
they have infringed on her rights by verbally yelling and raising a red
protest flag at the time of the incident. Then Boats B and C have a chance
to do their 720° penalty turns on that leg of the course. No one needs to
end up in the Protest Room. However, if Boats B and C do not agree that they
have caused an infraction (and dont do their penalty turns), Boat A may
advise the Race Committee by radio that she is protesting them, and then
must file a written protest within 30 minutes of landing at the dock.
I would like to make several points here: Im not advocating protesting, but
infractions happen on the race course and they shouldnt all be ignored. The
racing rules make a fair and level playing field only if the rules are
upheld, but nobody likes to be involved in a formal protest. So bone up on
your Part 2 Right of Way racing rules when boats meet, and make sure you
know where your red flag is. If there is a chance you may have infringed on
a fellow competitor, suck it up and do your penalty turns. If you know you
have been a victim of an infraction start yelling. Its all part of fair
sailing and the Rules only work if they are upheld.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
Please fix Race Riot is spinaker has a magenta flag called in as such and has a PHRF Valid certificate
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Luce luce01@optonline.net
To: Cruising Fleet Racers wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Cc: Shea Thorvaldsen sthorva6931@verizon.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 10:50 am
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Race Results August 22, 2012
To All –
The forecast was for little wind and we got a beautiful 8 – 10 from the south all evening. Wow. Thanks Mike, Holly, Sarah, Jon & Gary. What a beautiful evening!
I’d like to mention a protest that didn’t happen. As I understand it, Boat A was beating on starboard and Boats B and C were on port. Boat A hailed Boat B to tack. Boat B fouled her jib sheets and couldn’t tack, causing Boat A to alter course. Boat C never tried to tack because she felt Boat B was between her and Boat A. There was some exchange of words between all three boats and Boat A felt she should protest both Boats B and C. But Boat A didn’t follow through.
Now, the way I see things this was a clear infraction of Boat B (and maybe C) on Boat A. If Boat A wanted to protest, she must tell Boats B and C that they have infringed on her rights by verbally yelling and raising a red protest flag at the time of the incident. Then Boats B and C have a chance to do their 720° penalty turns on that leg of the course. No one needs to end up in the Protest Room. However, if Boats B and C do not agree that they have caused an infraction (and don’t do their penalty turns), Boat A may advise the Race Committee by radio that she is protesting them, and then must file a written protest within 30 minutes of landing at the dock.
I would like to make several points here: I’m not advocating protesting, but infractions happen on the race course and they shouldn’t all be ignored. The racing rules make a fair and level playing field only if the rules are upheld, but nobody likes to be involved in a formal protest. So bone up on your Part 2 Right of Way racing rules “when boats meet”, and make sure you know where your red flag is. If there is a chance you may have infringed on a fellow competitor, suck it up and do your penalty turns. If you know you have been a victim of an infraction – start yelling. It’s all part of fair sailing and the Rules only work if they are upheld.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
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If you wish to protest, it is necessary to hail, Protest!" to them at your first
reasonable opportunity. You have to use that word, and fly the flag.
You have to say, "Protest," and I think it can help to add a very little about
what you think their error was or what your rights were. Only the word protest
is required (and the flag), but your reasoning can convince them to take the
penalty now. Try not to say the other things that may occur to you, a discussion
only slows you down.
"Protest! I am on starboard."
"Protest! You owed me room."
"Protest! Leeward boat."
Have someone keep an eye on that boat to see if they do their two turns (two
tacks and two gybes). Or, ask them later if they did.
Knowing the rules and enforcing them keeps the playing field level.
Bob Sengstacken
646 734 9713 mobile
From: Lee Luce luce01@optonline.net
To: Cruising Fleet Racers wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Cc: Shea Thorvaldsen sthorva6931@verizon.net
Sent: Thu, August 23, 2012 10:50:46 AM
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Race Results August 22, 2012
To All –
The forecast was for little wind and we got a beautiful 8 – 10 from the south
all evening. Wow. Thanks Mike, Holly, Sarah, Jon & Gary. What a beautiful
evening!
I’d like to mention a protest that didn’t happen. As I understand it, Boat A was
beating on starboard and Boats B and C were on port. Boat A hailed Boat B to
tack. Boat B fouled her jib sheets and couldn’t tack, causing Boat A to alter
course. Boat C never tried to tack because she felt Boat B was between her and
Boat A. There was some exchange of words between all three boats and Boat A felt
she should protest both Boats B and C. But Boat A didn’t follow through.
Now, the way I see things this was a clear infraction of Boat B (and maybe C) on
Boat A. If Boat A wanted to protest, she must tell Boats B and C that they have
infringed on her rights by verbally yelling and raising a red protest flag at
the time of the incident. Then Boats B and C have a chance to do their 720°
penalty turns on that leg of the course. No one needs to end up in the Protest
Room. However, if Boats B and C do not agree that they have caused an infraction
(and don’t do their penalty turns), Boat A may advise the Race Committee by
radio that she is protesting them, and then must file a written protest within
30 minutes of landing at the dock.
I would like to make several points here: I’m not advocating protesting, but
infractions happen on the race course and they shouldn’t all be ignored. The
racing rules make a fair and level playing field only if the rules are upheld,
but nobody likes to be involved in a formal protest. So bone up on your Part 2
Right of Way racing rules “when boats meet”, and make sure you know where your
red flag is. If there is a chance you may have infringed on a fellow competitor,
suck it up and do your penalty turns. If you know you have been a victim of an
infraction – start yelling. It’s all part of fair sailing and the Rules only
work if they are upheld.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
Hi All,
Many thanks to Lee Luce and to Bob Sengstacken: This was a most
helpful discussion.
One minor footnote (I hope I am correct)
The sailing instructions for Wed night Cruising state:
"Time limit for protests and requests for redress shall be 1 hour after
the RC signal boat reaches her mooring or slip. This includes protests
and requests for redress by the Race Committee. This changes
rules 62.2."
For Sunday races the SI states(as I read it):
"15.2 The time limit for protests and requests for redress
shall be thirty minutes after the Race Committee Signal
Boat reaches her mooring or slip.
15.3 Competitors intending to file a protest shall notify the
Race Committee soon after their finish."
See the Sailing Instructions and Racing Rules of Sailing for the
complete info.
Bob Shoemaker
On 8/23/2012 1:06 PM, bob sengstacken wrote:
If you wish to protest, it is necessary to hail, Protest!" to them at
your first reasonable opportunity. You have to use that word, and fly
the flag.
You have to say, "Protest," and I think it can help to add a very
little about what you think their error was or what your rights were.
Only the word protest is required (and the flag), but your reasoning
can convince them to take the penalty now. Try not to say the other
things that may occur to you, a discussion only slows you down.
"Protest! I am on starboard."
"Protest! You owed me room."
"Protest! Leeward boat."
Have someone keep an eye on that boat to see if they do their two
turns (two tacks and two gybes). Or, ask them later if they did.
Knowing the rules and enforcing them keeps the playing field level.
Bob Sengstacken
646 734 9713 mobile
From: Lee Luce luce01@optonline.net
To: Cruising Fleet Racers wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Cc: Shea Thorvaldsen sthorva6931@verizon.net
Sent: Thu, August 23, 2012 10:50:46 AM
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Race Results August 22, 2012
To All --
The forecast was for little wind and we got a beautiful 8 -- 10 from
the south all evening. Wow. Thanks Mike, Holly, Sarah, Jon & Gary.
What a beautiful evening!
I'd like to mention a protest that didn't happen. As I understand it,
Boat A was beating on starboard and Boats B and C were on port. Boat A
hailed Boat B to tack. Boat B fouled her jib sheets and couldn't tack,
causing Boat A to alter course. Boat C never tried to tack because she
felt Boat B was between her and Boat A. There was some exchange of
words between all three boats and Boat A felt she should protest both
Boats B and C. But Boat A didn't follow through.
Now, the way I see things this was a clear infraction of Boat B (and
maybe C) on Boat A. If Boat A wanted to protest, she must tell Boats B
and C that they have infringed on her rights by verbally yelling and
raising a red protest flag at the time of the incident. Then Boats B
and C have a chance to do their 720° penalty turns on that leg of the
course. No one needs to end up in the Protest Room. However, if
Boats B and C do not agree that they have caused an infraction (and
don't do their penalty turns), Boat A may advise the Race Committee by
radio that she is protesting them, and then must file a written
protest within 30 minutes of landing at the dock.
I would like to make several points here: I'm not advocating
protesting, but infractions happen on the race course and they
shouldn't all be ignored. The racing rules make a fair and level
playing field only if the rules are upheld, but nobody likes to be
involved in a formal protest. So bone up on your Part 2 Right of Way
racing rules "when boats meet", and make sure you know where your red
flag is. If there is a chance you may have infringed on a fellow
competitor, suck it up and do your penalty turns. If you know you have
been a victim of an infraction -- start yelling. It's all part of fair
sailing and the Rules only work if they are upheld.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
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Very close, Bob. Wednesday night racing is as Bob notes. For Sunday, he is correct regarding One Design. For cruisers on Sunday...one hour after the RC reaches the mooring or slip. In all cases, inform the RC as per the rules. The RC reserves the right to EXTEND the time period for protests.
Gary T
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Shoemaker
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] On protesting
Hi All,
Many thanks to Lee Luce and to Bob Sengstacken: This was a most helpful discussion.
One minor footnote (I hope I am correct)
The sailing instructions for Wed night Cruising state:
"Time limit for protests and requests for redress shall be 1 hour after
the RC signal boat reaches her mooring or slip. This includes protests
and requests for redress by the Race Committee. This changes
rules 62.2."
For Sunday races the SI states(as I read it):
"15.2 The time limit for protests and requests for redress
shall be thirty minutes after the Race Committee Signal
Boat reaches her mooring or slip.
15.3 Competitors intending to file a protest shall notify the
Race Committee soon after their finish."
See the Sailing Instructions and Racing Rules of Sailing for the complete info.
Bob Shoemaker
On 8/23/2012 1:06 PM, bob sengstacken wrote:
If you wish to protest, it is necessary to hail, Protest!" to them at your first reasonable opportunity. You have to use that word, and fly the flag.
You have to say, "Protest," and I think it can help to add a very little about what you think their error was or what your rights were. Only the word protest is required (and the flag), but your reasoning can convince them to take the penalty now. Try not to say the other things that may occur to you, a discussion only slows you down.
"Protest! I am on starboard."
"Protest! You owed me room."
"Protest! Leeward boat."
Have someone keep an eye on that boat to see if they do their two turns (two tacks and two gybes). Or, ask them later if they did.
Knowing the rules and enforcing them keeps the playing field level.
---------------
Bob Sengstacken
646 734 9713 mobile
From: Lee Luce <luce01@optonline.net>
To: Cruising Fleet Racers <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org>
Cc: Shea Thorvaldsen <sthorva6931@verizon.net>
Sent: Thu, August 23, 2012 10:50:46 AM
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Race Results August 22, 2012
To All -
The forecast was for little wind and we got a beautiful 8 - 10 from the south all evening. Wow. Thanks Mike, Holly, Sarah, Jon & Gary. What a beautiful evening!
I'd like to mention a protest that didn't happen. As I understand it, Boat A was beating on starboard and Boats B and C were on port. Boat A hailed Boat B to tack. Boat B fouled her jib sheets and couldn't tack, causing Boat A to alter course. Boat C never tried to tack because she felt Boat B was between her and Boat A. There was some exchange of words between all three boats and Boat A felt she should protest both Boats B and C. But Boat A didn't follow through.
Now, the way I see things this was a clear infraction of Boat B (and maybe C) on Boat A. If Boat A wanted to protest, she must tell Boats B and C that they have infringed on her rights by verbally yelling and raising a red protest flag at the time of the incident. Then Boats B and C have a chance to do their 720° penalty turns on that leg of the course. No one needs to end up in the Protest Room. However, if Boats B and C do not agree that they have caused an infraction (and don't do their penalty turns), Boat A may advise the Race Committee by radio that she is protesting them, and then must file a written protest within 30 minutes of landing at the dock.
I would like to make several points here: I'm not advocating protesting, but infractions happen on the race course and they shouldn't all be ignored. The racing rules make a fair and level playing field only if the rules are upheld, but nobody likes to be involved in a formal protest. So bone up on your Part 2 Right of Way racing rules "when boats meet", and make sure you know where your red flag is. If there is a chance you may have infringed on a fellow competitor, suck it up and do your penalty turns. If you know you have been a victim of an infraction - start yelling. It's all part of fair sailing and the Rules only work if they are upheld.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
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