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BLACK WATER (SEWAGE) OVERBOARD DISCHARGE

J&
John & Judy Gill
Sat, May 2, 2015 9:01 PM

All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones".  Except those which are at least 3 miles out to sea.

The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local laws.  In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie or some other locking mechanism you will past muster.  In some jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you get a stiff fine.  On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to BE REMOVED!!!  Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least.

My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel from Parry Sound for many years.  We like many of the Summer homes in the area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their holding tank next to your water intake???

John and Judy Gill
Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5
Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner
Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD
AGLCA #043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers
AGLCA  Harbor Hosts for the Northern Chesapeake Bay
USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members
eMail:  < jjgill@twojscom.com >
Website:  http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/

All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones". Except those which are at least 3 miles out to sea. The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local laws. In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie or some other locking mechanism you will past muster. In some jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you get a stiff fine. On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to BE REMOVED!!! Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least. My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel from Parry Sound for many years. We like many of the Summer homes in the area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their holding tank next to your water intake??? John and Judy Gill Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5 Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD AGLCA #043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers AGLCA Harbor Hosts for the Northern Chesapeake Bay USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members eMail: < jjgill@twojscom.com > Website: <http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/>
JP
joseph.pica@gmail.com
Sat, May 2, 2015 10:57 PM

Overboard discharge is 12 miles off shore in the Gulf of Mexico.
Never heard of 1' of hose required to be removed but disconnected/separated for certain.  I'd like to read the Canadian regulation for exact verbiage referencing the 1' foot removal.  I have a disconnect  union to physically separate plumbing from overboard pump and plugs for the resulting open hoses.  I am confident of compliance.

Joe Pica
M/V Carolyn Ann GH N-37
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
MTOA#3813, AGLCA #5485

On May 2, 2015, at 5:01 PM, John & Judy Gill jjgill@twojscom.com wrote:

All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones".  Except those which are at least 3 miles out to sea.

The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local laws.  In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie or some other locking mechanism you will past muster.  In some jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you get a stiff fine.  On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to BE REMOVED!!!  Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least.

My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel from Parry Sound for many years.  We like many of the Summer homes in the area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their holding tank next to your water intake???

John and Judy Gill
Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5
Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner
Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD
AGLCA #043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers
AGLCA  Harbor Hosts for the Northern Chesapeake Bay
USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members
eMail:  < jjgill@twojscom.com >
Website:  http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/


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Overboard discharge is 12 miles off shore in the Gulf of Mexico. Never heard of 1' of hose required to be removed but disconnected/separated for certain. I'd like to read the Canadian regulation for exact verbiage referencing the 1' foot removal. I have a disconnect union to physically separate plumbing from overboard pump and plugs for the resulting open hoses. I am confident of compliance. Joe Pica M/V Carolyn Ann GH N-37 http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/ MTOA#3813, AGLCA #5485 > On May 2, 2015, at 5:01 PM, John & Judy Gill <jjgill@twojscom.com> wrote: > > All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones". Except those which are at least 3 miles out to sea. > > The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local laws. In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie or some other locking mechanism you will past muster. In some jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you get a stiff fine. On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to BE REMOVED!!! Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least. > > My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel from Parry Sound for many years. We like many of the Summer homes in the area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their holding tank next to your water intake??? > > John and Judy Gill > Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5 > Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner > Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD > AGLCA #043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers > AGLCA Harbor Hosts for the Northern Chesapeake Bay > USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members > eMail: < jjgill@twojscom.com > > Website: <http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/> > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com
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Tallen
Sat, May 2, 2015 11:44 PM

Here's the Vermont Boating regulation re: sanitation devices;

"Marine Sanitation Devices:
In no discharge zones a holding tank is required. No discharge capability
allowed, openings sealed, overboard lines and Y valves removed.
Residential use of overnight sleeping vessels is prohibited on waters
lacking sanitary waste pumpout facilities. "

And the NYS regulation;

"On Canandaigua, Skaneateles, Greenwood (Orange County) Lakes, and Lake
George, any vessel equipped with a toilet, sink, tub, etc., which results in
the drainage of wastewater must have all such material drain into a holding
tank so that it may be pumped ashore at a marine pumpout facility. Overboard
lines from these systems must either be sealed or removed.  When operating
on Lake Champlain, boaters must have their MSD rendered inoperable and all
over board lines disconnected and plugged."

Capt'n Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: John & Judy Gill
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 5:01 PM
To: Loop List Great, Loop List
Subject: GL: BLACK WATER (SEWAGE) OVERBOARD DISCHARGE

All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great
Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones".  Except those which are at least 3
miles out to sea.

The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local
laws.  In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie
or some other locking mechanism you will past muster.  In some
jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a
packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you
get a stiff fine.  On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a
foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to
BE REMOVED!!!  Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least.

My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel
from Parry Sound for many years.  We like many of the Summer homes in the
area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in
front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment
filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you
would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their
holding tank next to your water intake???

John and Judy Gill
Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5
Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner
Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD
AGLCA #043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers
AGLCA  Harbor Hosts for the Northern Chesapeake Bay
USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members
eMail:  < jjgill@twojscom.com >
Website:  http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/


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Here's the Vermont Boating regulation re: sanitation devices; "Marine Sanitation Devices: In no discharge zones a holding tank is required. No discharge capability allowed, openings sealed, overboard lines and Y valves removed. Residential use of overnight sleeping vessels is prohibited on waters lacking sanitary waste pumpout facilities. " And the NYS regulation; "On Canandaigua, Skaneateles, Greenwood (Orange County) Lakes, and Lake George, any vessel equipped with a toilet, sink, tub, etc., which results in the drainage of wastewater must have all such material drain into a holding tank so that it may be pumped ashore at a marine pumpout facility. Overboard lines from these systems must either be sealed or removed. When operating on Lake Champlain, boaters must have their MSD rendered inoperable and all over board lines disconnected and plugged." Capt'n Terry -----Original Message----- From: John & Judy Gill Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 5:01 PM To: Loop List Great, Loop List Subject: GL: BLACK WATER (SEWAGE) OVERBOARD DISCHARGE All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones". Except those which are at least 3 miles out to sea. The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local laws. In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie or some other locking mechanism you will past muster. In some jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you get a stiff fine. On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to BE REMOVED!!! Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least. My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel from Parry Sound for many years. We like many of the Summer homes in the area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their holding tank next to your water intake??? John and Judy Gill Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5 Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD AGLCA #043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers AGLCA Harbor Hosts for the Northern Chesapeake Bay USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members eMail: < jjgill@twojscom.com > Website: <http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/> _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
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Tallen
Sat, May 2, 2015 11:50 PM

I forgot the Canadian regs ....

Ontario Waters

For pleasure craft in the waters of Ontario, the overboard discharge is not
permitted as per the Environmental Protection Act (Ontario), Regulation 343,
“Discharge of Sewage from Pleasure Boats.” Any overboard discharge, as shown
in options 2, 3 and 4 (installations with varying placement of the "Y"
valve) will have to be disconnected and blanked before entering the waters
of Ontario.


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I forgot the Canadian regs .... Ontario Waters For pleasure craft in the waters of Ontario, the overboard discharge is not permitted as per the Environmental Protection Act (Ontario), Regulation 343, “Discharge of Sewage from Pleasure Boats.” Any overboard discharge, as shown in options 2, 3 and 4 (installations with varying placement of the "Y" valve) will have to be disconnected and blanked before entering the waters of Ontario. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
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Duane
Sun, May 3, 2015 9:11 AM

For the Gulf of Mexico in FL waters, the limit is 9 miles (still 3 miles on the Atlantic side). I am not sure if other gulf states have different rules.

Duane and Diane Ising
m/v Diva Di
Punta Gorda, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of joseph.pica@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 6:58 PM
To: John & Judy Gill
Cc: Loop List Great, Loop List
Subject: Re: GL: BLACK WATER (SEWAGE) OVERBOARD DISCHARGE

Overboard discharge is 12 miles off shore in the Gulf of Mexico.
Never heard of 1' of hose required to be removed but disconnected/separated for certain.  I'd like to read the Canadian regulation for exact verbiage referencing the 1' foot removal.  I have a disconnect  union to physically separate plumbing from overboard pump and plugs for the resulting open hoses.  I am confident of compliance.

Joe Pica
M/V Carolyn Ann GH N-37
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
MTOA#3813, AGLCA #5485

On May 2, 2015, at 5:01 PM, John & Judy Gill jjgill@twojscom.com wrote:

All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones".  Except those which are at least 3 miles out to sea.

The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local laws.  In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie or some other locking mechanism you will past muster.  In some jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you get a stiff fine.  On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to BE REMOVED!!!  Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least.

My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel from Parry Sound for many years.  We like many of the Summer homes in the area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their holding tank next to your water intake???

John and Judy Gill
Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5 Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver
Mariner Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD  AGLCA
#043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers  AGLCA  Harbor Hosts for the
Northern Chesapeake Bay  USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members
eMail:  < jjgill@twojscom.com >
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For the Gulf of Mexico in FL waters, the limit is 9 miles (still 3 miles on the Atlantic side). I am not sure if other gulf states have different rules. Duane and Diane Ising m/v Diva Di Punta Gorda, FL -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of joseph.pica@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 6:58 PM To: John & Judy Gill Cc: Loop List Great, Loop List Subject: Re: GL: BLACK WATER (SEWAGE) OVERBOARD DISCHARGE Overboard discharge is 12 miles off shore in the Gulf of Mexico. Never heard of 1' of hose required to be removed but disconnected/separated for certain. I'd like to read the Canadian regulation for exact verbiage referencing the 1' foot removal. I have a disconnect union to physically separate plumbing from overboard pump and plugs for the resulting open hoses. I am confident of compliance. Joe Pica M/V Carolyn Ann GH N-37 http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/ MTOA#3813, AGLCA #5485 > On May 2, 2015, at 5:01 PM, John & Judy Gill <jjgill@twojscom.com> wrote: > > All Loopers should fully understand that almost all the waters of the Great Loop are in fact "No Discharge Zones". Except those which are at least 3 miles out to sea. > > The only difference is the method(s) used to ensure compliance with local laws. In most places if your "Y" valve is tied off securely with a wire tie or some other locking mechanism you will past muster. In some jurisdictions, the authorities will flush your head by flushing down a packet of food coloring -- if the water outside changes to their color, you get a stiff fine. On Lake Champlain (NY or VT waters) their laws require a foot of the hose between your holding tank and overboard discharge port to BE REMOVED!!! Their fines and remedies are severe to say the least. > > My parents had a cottage near Sans Souci - 22 miles down the South Channel from Parry Sound for many years. We like many of the Summer homes in the area and on Lake Champlain pumped their drinking water from directly in front of their cabins up to their sinks with little more than a sediment filter; no expensive water treatment system at all. Ask yourselves if you would like someone to anchor in front of your Summer home and dump their holding tank next to your water intake??? > > John and Judy Gill > Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5 Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver > Mariner Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD AGLCA > #043, Life Members & Gold Flag Loopers AGLCA Harbor Hosts for the > Northern Chesapeake Bay USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members > eMail: < jjgill@twojscom.com > > Website: <http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/> > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawleri > ng.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlerin > g.com _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com