To All –

To state the obvious - racing results at the Nyack Boat Club are “public information” and do not/should not belong to a privileged few -- no matter how much they bully others. Please see the e-mails below.

I strongly suggest that from now on original Cruising Fleet racing results data sheets not be allowed to leave the Nyack Boat Club premises at any time, for any reason. Anyone wishing a copy of the data should feel free to copy the results (IPhone, Club copier, by hand, etc.) but must not be free to take original data home and prevent others from seeing, copying or transcribing the original data. Raw data should remain in the Race Committee ledger books outside of the Race Committee locker, available at all times. I think the Race Committee, to avoid further controversy, might agree to this recommendation.

Again, I remind all Cruising Fleet racers that raw racing data at the Nyack Boat Club is public information and should be available to everyone 24/7.

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

From: Osman Kurtulus [mailto:kurtulusoc@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:18 PM
To: Eric Kent
Cc: Lee Luce; Michael Lucas; Kieran Quinn; Bill Mann.11.10; Morris Azar; Eric Baumes
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Racing Results, Wednesday June 26th

Yes Eric

I agree RC should be involved with this.

I will make sure RC chair issue an official note how to handle Cruising Fleet results which we all can follow.

Thank you for your efforts

Osman C. Kurtulus / CFO / The Fortune Society / 29-76 Northern Blvd. x-apple-data-detectors://4  / Long Island City x-apple-data-detectors://5 , x-apple-data-detectors://5  NY x-apple-data-detectors://5  11101 x-apple-data-detectors://5  / Office: 212.691.7554 ext. 292 / Direct 347.510.3445 / Fax: 212.633.6845 / www.fortunesociety.org http://www.fortunesociety.org/

On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Eric Kent erickent2@gmail.com wrote:

To clarify my earlier email, I did give Lee the results when she asked, but I didn't expect that she would take them from the club.  I did not see them in the book Wednesday evening.  I don't think the RC should be caught in the middle of this.

On Jun 27, 2013 11:25 PM, "Lee Luce" luce01@optonline.net wrote:

1. When I realized that neither Eric Baumes nor Osman Kurtulus were at the Club Wednesday night after racing, I asked PRO Eric Kent for the results and he gave them to me on the dock where he was helping take the patrol boats out of the water. I did not “take” the results. They were given to me by Eric Kent when I simply asked for them. Witnesses include Mike Lucas and Peter Browne.
   

2. My e-mail, sent to the Fleet before 11 pm, specified the results were unofficial, allowing the official results to be published at some later date.
   

3. The original results are in the Wednesday Racing folder outside of the Race Committee locker in the Clubhouse. 
   

4. Sorry, but I fail to see where the problem is here. 
   

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

From: Osman Kurtulus [mailto:kurtulusoc@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:27 PM
To: Lee Luce; Eric Baumes; Kieran Quinn; Bill Mann.11.10; Morris Azar
Subject: Fwd: [CruisingFleetRacing] Racing Results, Wednesday June 26th

Lee,

I would like to ask you one more time not to interfere with scoring and return the scoring sheet to the binder at once.

We have asked you this several times but you seem to be behaving in this manner purposely.

If you continue on this path I will bring this to a resolution one way or another  but it will not be pretty.

Osman

Osman C. Kurtulus / CFO / The Fortune Society / 29-76 Northern Blvd. / Long Island City, NY 11101 / Office: 212.691.7554 ext. 292 tel:212.691.7554%20ext.%20292  / Direct 347.510.3445 / Fax: 212.633.6845 / www.fortunesociety.org http://www.fortunesociety.org/

On Jun 27, 2013 5:31 PM, "Osman Kurtulus" kurtulusoc@aol.com wrote:

Eric Kent

We talked to Michael Lucas and Howie

They were suppose to scan us the results sheet last wed

You ended up being the

Pro and gave the sheet to lee.

Eric Baumes is the official scorer for the cruising fleet and I am his substitute

A could you scan the last wed night scores to us so that we can score this official

B since you are going to cover a lot of we'd nights can you please make sure score sheets get to Eric first if not to me.

Thx

Osman

All race data, info, etc. is to be placed in the appropriate binder outside the race locker as soon as practical after the event.  No data is to be removed from the Club premises.

Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Luce
To: Cruising Fleet Racers
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:08 PM
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Cruising Fleet Controversy Over Who ControlsRacing Data

To All –

To state the obvious - racing results at the Nyack Boat Club are “public information” and do not/should not belong to a privileged few -- no matter how much they bully others. Please see the e-mails below.

I strongly suggest that from now on original Cruising Fleet racing results data sheets not be allowed to leave the Nyack Boat Club premises at any time, for any reason. Anyone wishing a copy of the data should feel free to copy the results (IPhone, Club copier, by hand, etc.) but must not be free to take original data home and prevent others from seeing, copying or transcribing the original data. Raw data should remain in the Race Committee ledger books outside of the Race Committee locker, available at all times. I think the Race Committee, to avoid further controversy, might agree to this recommendation.

Again, I remind all Cruising Fleet racers that raw racing data at the Nyack Boat Club is public information and should be available to everyone 24/7.

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

From: Osman Kurtulus [mailto:kurtulusoc@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:18 PM
To: Eric Kent
Cc: Lee Luce; Michael Lucas; Kieran Quinn; Bill Mann.11.10; Morris Azar; Eric Baumes
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Racing Results, Wednesday June 26th

Yes Eric

I agree RC should be involved with this.

I will make sure RC chair issue an official note how to handle Cruising Fleet results which we all can follow.

Thank you for your efforts

Osman C. Kurtulus / CFO / The Fortune Society / 29-76 Northern Blvd. / Long Island City, NY 11101 / Office: 212.691.7554 ext. 292 / Direct 347.510.3445 / Fax: 212.633.6845 / www.fortunesociety.org

On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Eric Kent erickent2@gmail.com wrote:

To clarify my earlier email, I did give Lee the results when she asked, but I didn't expect that she would take them from the club.  I did not see them in the book Wednesday evening.  I don't think the RC should be caught in the middle of this. 

On Jun 27, 2013 11:25 PM, "Lee Luce" <luce01@optonline.net> wrote:

1)     When I realized that neither Eric Baumes nor Osman Kurtulus were at the Club Wednesday night after racing, I asked PRO Eric Kent for the results and he gave them to me on the dock where he was helping take the patrol boats out of the water. I did not “take” the results. They were given to me by Eric Kent when I simply asked for them. Witnesses include Mike Lucas and Peter Browne.

2)     My e-mail, sent to the Fleet before 11 pm, specified the results were unofficial, allowing the official results to be published at some later date.

3)     The original results are in the Wednesday Racing folder outside of the Race Committee locker in the Clubhouse. 

4)     Sorry, but I fail to see where the problem is here. 

Lee Luce

Cruising Fleet Secretary

 

From: Osman Kurtulus [mailto:kurtulusoc@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:27 PM
To: Lee Luce; Eric Baumes; Kieran Quinn; Bill Mann.11.10; Morris Azar
Subject: Fwd: [CruisingFleetRacing] Racing Results, Wednesday June 26th

 

Lee,

 

I would like to ask you one more time not to interfere with scoring and return the scoring sheet to the binder at once.

 

We have asked you this several times but you seem to be behaving in this manner purposely.

 

If you continue on this path I will bring this to a resolution one way or another  but it will not be pretty.

 

Osman

 


Osman C. Kurtulus / CFO / The Fortune Society / 29-76 Northern Blvd. / Long Island City, NY 11101 / Office: 212.691.7554 ext. 292 / Direct 347.510.3445 / Fax: 212.633.6845 / www.fortunesociety.org

 

  On Jun 27, 2013 5:31 PM, "Osman Kurtulus" <kurtulusoc@aol.com> wrote:


  Eric Kent

  We talked to Michael Lucas and Howie

  They were suppose to scan us the results sheet last wed

  You ended up being the

  Pro and gave the sheet to lee.

  Eric Baumes is the official scorer for the cruising fleet and I am his substitute

   

  A could you scan the last wed night scores to us so that we can score this official

  B since you are going to cover a lot of we'd nights can you please make sure score sheets get to Eric first if not to me.

   

  Thx

   

  Osman

   

   

       

     

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