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Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

JA
John Ackermann N8UR
Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:21 AM

I really like the 5334s (either A or B; the A is actually a more
featureful instrument than the B) and I have five or six of them; I
didn't pay more than $100 for any of them.  And, most of them have
10811As, so I figure worst case I can throw the counter out and still
get my money's worth from the oscillator!

John

Didier Juges said the following on 10/22/2006 09:02 PM:

It just so happen that I also have an HP 5334B, which I bought when I
had given up on getting an HP5370 for a reasonable cost, considering
my application. It draws 20 VA instead of 200, but this one does not
have the 10811 time base. This will also be a lot easier on the UPS, as
we do loose power here somewhat regularly (but not for long, unless a
hurricane is involved) during the stormy season.

Thanks for another great suggestion.

Didier

John Ackermann N8UR wrote:

Dr Bruce Griffiths said the following on 10/22/2006 07:19 PM:

An inexpensive modern time interval counter with a power dissipation of
less than 10 watts and a resolution comparable to the 5370 would be
useful for such comparisons especially if the experiment lasts several
months.

I don't usually use the 5370 for long-term measurements, as it does make
a very noticeable amount of heat.  Since the long term averages don't
really need super resolution, I find that an HP 5334 counter, which has
2ns resolution and dissipates far less heat, works well.

My current experiment is using a 5334 along with a GPIB-controlled coax
switch (forget the HP number right now) to do 100 second averages of six
combinations (CS1-GPS, CS2-GPS, RB1-GPS, CS2-CS1, RB1-CS1, and RB1-CS2)
so I end up with a tau of 600 seconds and ~200ps resolution with the 100
sample average.

John


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I really like the 5334s (either A or B; the A is actually a more featureful instrument than the B) and I have five or six of them; I didn't pay more than $100 for any of them. And, most of them have 10811As, so I figure worst case I can throw the counter out and still get my money's worth from the oscillator! John ---- Didier Juges said the following on 10/22/2006 09:02 PM: > It just so happen that I also have an HP 5334B, which I bought when I > had given up on getting an HP5370 for a *reasonable* cost, considering > my application. It draws 20 VA instead of 200, but this one does not > have the 10811 time base. This will also be a lot easier on the UPS, as > we do loose power here somewhat regularly (but not for long, unless a > hurricane is involved) during the stormy season. > > Thanks for another great suggestion. > > Didier > > John Ackermann N8UR wrote: >> Dr Bruce Griffiths said the following on 10/22/2006 07:19 PM: >> >> >>> An inexpensive modern time interval counter with a power dissipation of >>> less than 10 watts and a resolution comparable to the 5370 would be >>> useful for such comparisons especially if the experiment lasts several >>> months. >>> >> I don't usually use the 5370 for long-term measurements, as it does make >> a very noticeable amount of heat. Since the long term averages don't >> really need super resolution, I find that an HP 5334 counter, which has >> 2ns resolution and dissipates far less heat, works well. >> >> My current experiment is using a 5334 along with a GPIB-controlled coax >> switch (forget the HP number right now) to do 100 second averages of six >> combinations (CS1-GPS, CS2-GPS, RB1-GPS, CS2-CS1, RB1-CS1, and RB1-CS2) >> so I end up with a tau of 600 seconds and ~200ps resolution with the 100 >> sample average. >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list >> time-nuts@febo.com >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >
BH
Bill Hawkins
Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:21 PM

Check out http://www.deluoelectronics.com/customer/home.php

The stuff is designed to work with a laptop via USB or Bluetooth, under
$100.
I tried it several years ago and found it OK, but I seldom get lost.

Regards,
Bill Hawkins

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Subject: [time-nuts] GPS unit for car navigation -OT ??

Hello everyone,

I have, until now, resisted the urge to buy a GPS navigation system for
my car.
However, I now have to do some traveling and new and unknown addresses
keep popping up.

There are several different GPS units on the market and they all look OK
(i guess).

I just want to know which units do the members here consider to be the
best for this sort of thing?

Many thanks in advance,

-George Hrysanthopoulos, N2FGX


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Check out http://www.deluoelectronics.com/customer/home.php The stuff is designed to work with a laptop via USB or Bluetooth, under $100. I tried it several years ago and found it OK, but I seldom get lost. Regards, Bill Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of xaos Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:43 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] GPS unit for car navigation -OT ?? Hello everyone, I have, until now, resisted the urge to buy a GPS navigation system for my car. However, I now have to do some traveling and new and unknown addresses keep popping up. There are several different GPS units on the market and they all look OK (i guess). I just want to know which units do the members here consider to be the best for this sort of thing? Many thanks in advance, -George Hrysanthopoulos, N2FGX _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
JM
James Maynard
Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:39 PM

Robert Lutwak wrote:

How's the timing accuracy?

Does it display GPS time or does it have it's own clock?

-RL


Robert Lutwak, Senior Scientist
Symmetricom - Technology Realization Center
34 Tozer Rd.
Beverly, MA 01915
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The Garmin StreetPilot 7200 is not a timing receiver. It displays local
time of day in hours and minutes, and seems to update the minute at the
correct time, to within a tenth of a second or so. But that's just by
comparing with my radio-controlled wristwatch (WWVB receiver).

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Maynard" james.h.maynard@usa.net
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS unit for car navigation -OT ??

xaos wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have, until now, resisted the urge to buy a GPS navigation system for
my car.
However, I now have to do some traveling and new and unknown addresses
keep popping up.

There are several different GPS units on the market and they all look OK
(i guess).

I just want to know which units do the members here consider to be the
best for
this sort of thing?

Many thanks in advance,

-George Hrysanthopoulos, N2FGX

I really like my Garmin StreetPilot 7200. Its GPS receiver has WAAS
correction capability, it has a built-in database of street maps for the
entire USA, and its large display, perched atop the dashboard of my car,
is very readable to my aging eyes.  In my car, my view of the
speedometer is obscured by the steering wheel, so I use the GPS receiver
as my primary speedometer display, too.

I usually set it just to display a moving map. In that mode, it shows
the name of the next cross-street that I will encounter at the top of
the screen -- much easier to read with my aging eyes than the street
sign on the corner! It also shows my speed and the time of day.

Occasionally I will set it to compute a route for me to follow,
particularly when driving to someplace unfamiliar. In that mode, it
doesn't display the time of day, but instead displays the estimated time
of arrival at the distination -- something that I'm not as interested in
knowing. At intersections where the calculated route changes from one
street or highway to another, it zooms in automatically as I approach
the intersection and zooms out automatically after making the turn.

It didn't hurt that, as a Garmin employee, I got a nice employee discount!


James Maynard, K7KK
Salem, Oregon, USA


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Robert Lutwak wrote: > How's the timing accuracy? > > Does it display GPS time or does it have it's own clock? > > > -RL > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Robert Lutwak, Senior Scientist > Symmetricom - Technology Realization Center > 34 Tozer Rd. > Beverly, MA 01915 > (978) 232-1461 Voice RLutwak@Symmetricom.com (Business) > (978) 927-4099 FAX Lutwak@Alum.MIT.edu (Personal) > (339) 927-7896 Mobile > The Garmin StreetPilot 7200 is not a timing receiver. It displays local time of day in hours and minutes, and seems to update the minute at the correct time, to within a tenth of a second or so. But that's just by comparing with my radio-controlled wristwatch (WWVB receiver). > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Maynard" <james.h.maynard@usa.net> > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > <time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS unit for car navigation -OT ?? > > > >>xaos wrote: >> >>>Hello everyone, >>> >>>I have, until now, resisted the urge to buy a GPS navigation system for >>>my car. >>>However, I now have to do some traveling and new and unknown addresses >>>keep popping up. >>> >>>There are several different GPS units on the market and they all look OK >>>(i guess). >>> >>>I just want to know which units do the members here consider to be the >>>best for >>>this sort of thing? >>> >>>Many thanks in advance, >>> >>>-George Hrysanthopoulos, N2FGX >> >>I really like my Garmin StreetPilot 7200. Its GPS receiver has WAAS >>correction capability, it has a built-in database of street maps for the >>entire USA, and its large display, perched atop the dashboard of my car, >>is very readable to my aging eyes. In my car, my view of the >>speedometer is obscured by the steering wheel, so I use the GPS receiver >>as my primary speedometer display, too. >> >>I usually set it just to display a moving map. In that mode, it shows >>the name of the next cross-street that I will encounter at the top of >>the screen -- much easier to read with my aging eyes than the street >>sign on the corner! It also shows my speed and the time of day. >> >>Occasionally I will set it to compute a route for me to follow, >>particularly when driving to someplace unfamiliar. In that mode, it >>doesn't display the time of day, but instead displays the estimated time >>of arrival at the distination -- something that I'm not as interested in >>knowing. At intersections where the calculated route changes from one >>street or highway to another, it zooms in automatically as I approach >>the intersection and zooms out automatically after making the turn. >> >>It didn't hurt that, as a Garmin employee, I got a nice employee discount! >> >>---- >>James Maynard, K7KK >>Salem, Oregon, USA >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>time-nuts mailing list >>time-nuts@febo.com >>https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > . > -- James Maynard Salem, Oregon, USA