Propane stove for galley
Sean and Rudy are right. Marine stoves have a flame failure device
(thermocouple). Portable stoves were prohibited because if the flame blows
out the gas from a one pound bottle continues to flow. In the cabin of a
boat there are all sorts of electrical devices which are not ignition
protected, from light switches to GFI's etc. In small boats with alcohol
stoves, fires were quite common.
The Tech VP of ABYC worked with the USCG and Boat US to come up with an
alternative solution for small boats. The advent of the small butane stoves
which cook with an 8 oz bottle of butane was the solution. An 8 oz bottle
of butane will not bring the interior of the cabin of a small boat up to
the lower explosive limit. ABYC A-26 was written to endorse the use of the
small butane stoves which are safer than alcohol stoves. An insurance
industry report 10-12 years ago, on the cause boat fires, concluded that
the reduction in galley stove fires was attributable to the across the
board migration from alcohol stoves to properly propane systems on cruising
boats, and the availability of small butane stoves for smaller boats.
Cheers,
Tom
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It's worth noting that the camp stove linked in the original post is not
the same as the 8-oz butane styles that are commonly sold for indoor use
and which Tom is talking about here. It is a style that uses, typically,
a much larger LPG canister and can even be adapted to a 20-lb (or
larger) cylinder. The typical camp-stove LPG canisters sold in sporting
goods stores are a full 16-oz. The butane canisters for the indoor
styles (e.g. Burton), by contrast, resemble aerosol cans.
I suppose a camp stove might meet the ABYC strictures if it was attached
to an 8-oz cylinder. (Though I doubt it; can't access the actual
standard but I bet it calls for the type that can't take the larger
bottles.) But above that it would be neither compliant nor safe because
of the lack of flame-out shutoff.
-Sean
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On 9/19/19 2:39 PM, Tom Hale via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
... The advent of the small butane stoves
which cook with an 8 oz bottle of butane was the solution. An 8 oz bottle
of butane will not bring the interior of the cabin of a small boat up to
the lower explosive limit. ABYC A-26 was written to endorse the use of the
small butane stoves which are safer than alcohol stoves.
We really liked using these inexpensive 8oz cartridge style cooktop burners. Think the omelette guy kind in the hotel or saute chef. It is surprising how quickly they heat pots and skillets. We used to avoid using the genset to power the electric cooktop. We liked it so much we often used it even when running genset. The 8 oz bottles lasts quite a while(finite scientific measurement). SAM’s sells them in a 4 pack for<$5.00.
Big fan of these and the one bottle can ot make an explosive mix in the cabin of the average trawler. That said, I treated my extras as if propane storing them in an over board vented locker. I also sealed each one in a tight zip lock baggie after pushing out most the air. 8oz Butane burner Fan boy.
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On Sep 19, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Sean Welsh via Trawlers-and-Trawlering trawlers@lists.trawlering.com wrote:
It's worth noting that the camp stove linked in the original post is not
the same as the 8-oz butane styles that are commonly sold for indoor use
and which Tom is talking about here. It is a style that uses, typically,
a much larger LPG canister and can even be adapted to a 20-lb (or
larger) cylinder. The typical camp-stove LPG canisters sold in sporting
goods stores are a full 16-oz. The butane canisters for the indoor
styles (e.g. Burton), by contrast, resemble aerosol cans.
I suppose a camp stove might meet the ABYC strictures if it was attached
to an 8-oz cylinder. (Though I doubt it; can't access the actual
standard but I bet it calls for the type that can't take the larger
bottles.) But above that it would be neither compliant nor safe because
of the lack of flame-out shutoff.
-Sean
m/y Vector
lying Peoria, IL
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com
On 9/19/19 2:39 PM, Tom Hale via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
... The advent of the small butane stoves
which cook with an 8 oz bottle of butane was the solution. An 8 oz bottle
of butane will not bring the interior of the cabin of a small boat up to
the lower explosive limit. ABYC A-26 was written to endorse the use of the
small butane stoves which are safer than alcohol stoves.
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There are 6 oz, or maybe they are 8 oz, propane canisters that can be used
on "camp stoves" and, as I read the standard, are acceptable for use on a
boat. Sixteen oz propane canister, according to the standard should not be
used in accommodation spaces, though with knowledge of the risks and
appropriate steps taken, we think that the risk is no greater than with a
permanently installed propane stove. Even on permanently installed propane
stoves with flame-out gadgets they, too, can fail. Over the years I've
worked on several stoves that had these devices fail, not shutting off the
flow of propane when the flame extinguished. Maybe they're not supposed to
work like that, but it has occured. With or without a flame-out device, it
is our recommendation that no propane, butane,or other gas stove be used
unless attended, and if a 16 oz bottle is used, it might best to remove the
bottle to the outside when the cooking is done. As to the point that "camp
stoves" can be hooked up to a 20 lb bottle, well, for stoves below in a
boat, let's just say shouldn't be done, and if it is, the bottle needs to
be kept outside, in an approved manner, and shut off when the cooking is
done. For those who are extremely risk adverse, you can go so far as to
disconnected the supply line and take it to the outside and place it where
the propane should it leak can flow overboard. There are ways to safely use
"non-conformist" stoves safely. Unfortunately, as with most things, it is
the unsafe use of them that creates problems. The rule says that when at a
red light, you shouldn't cross the intersection until the light turns
green, but then if there is no traffic, is it actually unsafe to do so, or
do you not do it because the rule says not to?
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