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Testing the TAC, and a question about ADEV

BG
Bruce Griffiths
Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:46 AM

Fabio Eboli wrote:

Bruce, Bob, now I have more questions
than before :)

First and most important:
Where can I find references about the
statistical method you mentioned?
I tried to search online but didnt't find
any info.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4030739&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4030739
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4030739&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4030739

is one of the best in that it gives guidance on selecting suitable test
oscillator periods.
It also details how the integral linearity can be derived from the test.
There are a couple of minor errors in the paper.

Bruce

Fabio Eboli wrote: > Bruce, Bob, now I have more questions > than before :) > > First and most important: > Where can I find references about the > statistical method you mentioned? > I tried to search online but didnt't find > any info. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4030739&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4030739 <http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4030739&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4030739> is one of the best in that it gives guidance on selecting suitable test oscillator periods. It also details how the integral linearity can be derived from the test. There are a couple of minor errors in the paper. Bruce
BG
Bruce Griffiths
Sat, Dec 29, 2012 6:50 AM

Fabio Eboli wrote:

Bruce, Bob, now I have more questions
than before :)

Fabio.

P.S. The micro's adc is charachterized
for total unadjusted error of +-2LSB Max
at 25°C, 12bit total.
It's s-h is 8pF with 1kohm in series,
probably I can sync the sampling to
open just before the pulse, and close
after the fact.

What error is that:
gain error?
offset error?
integral nonlinearity?
What about monotonicity or differential linearity?

A worst case assumption would be that the ADC is perhaps only monotonic
for the 11 most significant bits.

Bruce

Fabio Eboli wrote: > Bruce, Bob, now I have more questions > than before :) > > Fabio. > > P.S. The micro's adc is charachterized > for total unadjusted error of +-2LSB Max > at 25°C, 12bit total. > It's s-h is 8pF with 1kohm in series, > probably I can sync the sampling to > open just before the pulse, and close > after the fact. What error is that: gain error? offset error? integral nonlinearity? What about monotonicity or differential linearity? A worst case assumption would be that the ADC is perhaps only monotonic for the 11 most significant bits. Bruce
FE
Fabio Eboli
Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:28 AM

is one of the best in that it gives guidance on selecting suitable
test oscillator periods.
It also details how the integral linearity can be derived from the
test.
There are a couple of minor errors in the paper.

Bruce

Thank you for the references, unfortunately I dont
have an account to access to IEEE papers.

P.S. The micro's adc is charachterized
for total unadjusted error of +-2LSB Max
at 25°C, 12bit total.
It's s-h is 8pF with 1kohm in series,
probably I can sync the sampling to
open just before the pulse, and close
after the fact.

What error is that:

As per the datasheet blah blah :) :
"the total unadjusted error (TUE) is defined as the
maximum deviation between the actual and the ideal
transfer curves. It is a parameter that specifies
the total errors that may occur, causing maximum
deviation between the ideal digital output and the
actual digital output. It is the maximum deviation
recorded between the ideal expected value and the
actual value obtained from the ADC for any input voltage."

see:
http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/APPLICATION_NOTE/CD00211314.pdf
pag 9, I was considering it the worse case error.

gain error?

+-1.5LSB

offset error?

+-1.5LSB

integral nonlinearity?

+-1.5LSB

What about monotonicity or differential linearity?

A worst case assumption would be that the ADC is perhaps only
monotonic for the 11 most significant bits.

Fabio.

> > http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4030739&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4030739 > <http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4030739&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4030739> > is one of the best in that it gives guidance on selecting suitable > test oscillator periods. > It also details how the integral linearity can be derived from the > test. > There are a couple of minor errors in the paper. > > Bruce Thank you for the references, unfortunately I dont have an account to access to IEEE papers. >> P.S. The micro's adc is charachterized >> for total unadjusted error of +-2LSB Max >> at 25°C, 12bit total. >> It's s-h is 8pF with 1kohm in series, >> probably I can sync the sampling to >> open just before the pulse, and close >> after the fact. > What error is that: As per the datasheet blah blah :) : "the total unadjusted error (TUE) is defined as the maximum deviation between the actual and the ideal transfer curves. It is a parameter that specifies the total errors that may occur, causing maximum deviation between the ideal digital output and the actual digital output. It is the maximum deviation recorded between the ideal expected value and the actual value obtained from the ADC for any input voltage." see: <http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/APPLICATION_NOTE/CD00211314.pdf> pag 9, I was considering it the worse case error. > gain error? +-1.5LSB > offset error? +-1.5LSB > integral nonlinearity? +-1.5LSB > What about monotonicity or differential linearity? DNL +-1LSB See : <http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/DATASHEET/CD00161566.pdf> pag 76 > > A worst case assumption would be that the ADC is perhaps only > monotonic for the 11 most significant bits. Fabio.
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Fabio Eboli
Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:53 AM

Il 2012-12-28 21:43 Magnus Danielson ha scritto:

The bucket statistic method is very simple.
You divide a scale into a suitable set of ranges, equally wide. The
you count how many "hits" you get within each of those ranges or
"buckets".

By the way, since I've seen some contributors
that are from Italy (Azelio...? :) what is the
correct name of the tecnique in Italian, maybe
it's something I've studied or seen somewhere.

Thanks.
Fabio.

Il 2012-12-28 21:43 Magnus Danielson ha scritto: > The bucket statistic method is very simple. > You divide a scale into a suitable set of ranges, equally wide. The > you count how many "hits" you get within each of those ranges or > "buckets". By the way, since I've seen some contributors that are from Italy (Azelio...? :) what is the correct name of the tecnique in Italian, maybe it's something I've studied or seen somewhere. Thanks. Fabio.