Hi,
first my opinion about the Fluke 332/335:
Those are very nice instruments, and you really need such instruments,
if you really want to calibrate your DCV gear: Only having a 10V
reference as 732A/B, or all those amateur grade 2.5 / 5 / 10V references
won't help, as you always need the Cardinal Points (1000V, 100V, 10V,
1V, 100mV) for calibration.

Therefore, those old 332/335 calibrators are basic instruments, to
generate those voltage in first instance.
You have to make sure, that they already contain the MOSFET chopper card
(not the mechanical chopper).
The reference also comes in two variants, either the older zener diode
oven, or the Reference Amplifier version.
Both are ok, but will not give more stability than about 10ppm/ 2months.
There is an elaborate teardown/ripoff of the 332B/AF on EEEVBlog, where
you can see additional stability parameters I have measured.
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-332baf-in-the-slaughterhouse/msg393609/#msg393609

From those measurements, I really doubt, that old 332/335 calibrators
will really get better over time.
The reference is too simple to be principally stable, that begins with
the simple oven, and ends by the non buried zener RefAmp. The
cummulative drift over 40 years was about 500pm, so you cannot really
state, that its stability had improved over time.
The noise of the instrument presumably increased over time, as all the
capacitors deteriorate, and also all the transistors loose their gain hfe.
As simply a precision, stable  high voltage power supply,  a working
332D is very fine.
The stability level is several ppm in any aspect.

But as a standard, there's one important further problem:
The 332D itself needs calibration, first linearity, second the range
calibration.
That strictly requires additional equipment, as a Fluke 720A, or a
HP3458A, and a Fluke 752A.
I have designed my own 100:1 / 10:1 Hammon divider, see EEVBLOG also,
and for example, the 34401A is also capable to adjust the linearity.

At least, I recommend to buy a Fluke 5440/5442.

Its stabilities are ten times better in all aspects, and it features
ultra high linearity by design,(my device: ~0.1ppm), and a Autocal
feature, like the 3458A.
The additional 1V and 100mV ranges have to be calibrated externally
again, but 10V, 100V and 1kV can be calibrated from one external 10V
source, similar to the 3458A.

Frank

I have a 332 that was unused on a shelf for 25-30 years. Together with a Guildline 4 cell standard, a 720, 845 and a ESI KV divider. (and more)  I use the guildline and 720 to set the 332.,Then set a  731 as a control to check during calibration if one is changed. My 332 seems to be not bad but not as a pure Volt standard. If set it at 10V through the methode above, it aqlways needs to be set some where between 10.000,000 and 10,000.050. I power it up en set it around 12 hours before calibration and check it just before I need it. The dift the varies around +/- 4 uV.

When I brought the 332 back to live I reformed and tested all caps. Replaced some and had to replace one power transistor. Afther that I calibrated it against de standard cells. My 731 is not great.

For me as amateur calibrator/voltnut more then good enough.

Fred

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Hi,
first my opinion about the Fluke 332/335:
Those are very nice instruments, and you really need such instruments,
if you really want to calibrate your DCV gear: Only having a 10V
reference as 732A/B, or all those amateur grade 2.5 / 5 / 10V references
won't help, as you always need the Cardinal Points (1000V, 100V, 10V,
1V, 100mV) for calibration.

Therefore, those old 332/335 calibrators are basic instruments, to
generate those voltage in first instance.
You have to make sure, that they already contain the MOSFET chopper card
(not the mechanical chopper).
The reference also comes in two variants, either the older zener diode
oven, or the Reference Amplifier version.
Both are ok, but will not give more stability than about 10ppm/ 2months.
There is an elaborate teardown/ripoff of the 332B/AF on EEEVBlog, where
you can see additional stability parameters I have measured.
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-332baf-in-the-slaughterhouse/msg393609/#msg393609

From those measurements, I really doubt, that old 332/335 calibrators
will really get better over time.
The reference is too simple to be principally stable, that begins with
the simple oven, and ends by the non buried zener RefAmp. The
cummulative drift over 40 years was about 500pm, so you cannot really
state, that its stability had improved over time.
The noise of the instrument presumably increased over time, as all the
capacitors deteriorate, and also all the transistors loose their gain hfe.
As simply a precision, stable  high voltage power supply,  a working
332D is very fine.
The stability level is several ppm in any aspect.

But as a standard, there's one important further problem:
The 332D itself needs calibration, first linearity, second the range
calibration.
That strictly requires additional equipment, as a Fluke 720A, or a
HP3458A, and a Fluke 752A.
I have designed my own 100:1 / 10:1 Hammon divider, see EEVBLOG also,
and for example, the 34401A is also capable to adjust the linearity.

At least, I recommend to buy a Fluke 5440/5442.

Its stabilities are ten times better in all aspects, and it features
ultra high linearity by design,(my device: ~0.1ppm), and a Autocal
feature, like the 3458A.
The additional 1V and 100mV ranges have to be calibrated externally
again, but 10V, 100V and 1kV can be calibrated from one external 10V
source, similar to the 3458A.

Frank

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Je hebt handboek TM 11-2538 nodig.
Ik heb het niet.

Met vriendelijke groeten
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Frans

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You'll likely get more help if you ask in English rather than Dutch - not
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list will understand you if you post in English.

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David Partridge
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Je hebt handboek TM 11-2538 nodig.
Ik heb het niet.

Met vriendelijke groeten
Regards

Frans

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