Well, I have been thoroughly corrected on- and offline about my ill-advised request to skip over the anchors/anchoring matter. So, go ahead and discuss that or any other appropriate topic freely. I would like to encourage new listees, and the many "lurkers" we have, to feel free to ask questions without concern if it is OK. I apologize for pulling the trigger too quickly. Smooth seas to all, Bill Donovan Administrator Great Loop List

Thanks Bill. Okay, many of you know that I've been out there a few years and have been a SuperMax fan since it held fast during Hurricane Ida. Just dug itself too deep and was a bear to get up. That's always been the problem with that anchor; it's a big, heavy steam shovel scoop that won't turn loose without some interesting words being said over it. My question relates to anchors for the Bahamas where we plan to spend a couple of years. Who has experience or access to studies or workshop information. We know that in the hard pack, we need a pointy anchor to dig in. I don't know if the SuperMax would work there because the three months we spent over there, we spent either in marinas or on mooring balls. This next trip, will require lots of anchoring. Thanks for your help. Bob Bob & Kemba DeGroot MTOA # 1896; DFCruisers # 857; AGLCA # 427 www.BoaterSites.com, Cell :713-876-8787, Skype: 1-281-506-2676 or dr.bob.degroot www.SalesHelp.com, www.MarinaCustomerServiceTraining.com, www.bobdegroot.com -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:49 AM To: Loop Subject: GL: Anchors Well, I have been thoroughly corrected on- and offline about my ill-advised request to skip over the anchors/anchoring matter. So, go ahead and discuss that or any other appropriate topic freely. I would like to encourage new listees, and the many "lurkers" we have, to feel free to ask questions without concern if it is OK. I apologize for pulling the trigger too quickly. Smooth seas to all, Bill Donovan Administrator Great Loop List _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

Bob I personally believe the most important thing is to get your anchor to set properly (good scope) and make sure you back down on it. I am a Great Lakes boater (mostly sand) and did the Great Loop last year. My primary anchor was a Bruce, on 50 feet of chain and another 250 of rode on a 13 ton Hatteras. I too thought I should have a more "pointy" anchor for sand (although I always used my Bruce in the Great Lakes), and so I carried a danforth / fortress type as a secondary on my bow as well as a similar smaller version for a stern anchor. When I set out on the loop I thought I would be using the bow danforth / fortress style a lot during my travels, but in never came off its resting place. We anchored more than 60% of the time including the Keys, and the Bruce held in every bottom I encountered even with the boat swinging from tides and winds. Maybe I was just lucky the anchor never dragged, although I did set an anchor alarm (DragQueen) in windy conditions / strong currents). And the Bruce was never too difficult to retrieve. You probably know all this stuff .. but I thought I would chime in anyways. This is a great forum and I too enjoy the daily commentary. John At Last > From: bob@saleshelp.com > To: trailersource@mindspring.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:17:37 -0600 > Subject: Re: GL: Anchors > > Thanks Bill. > > Okay, many of you know that I've been out there a few years and have been a > SuperMax fan since it held fast during Hurricane Ida. Just dug itself too > deep and was a bear to get up. That's always been the problem with that > anchor; it's a big, heavy steam shovel scoop that won't turn loose without > some interesting words being said over it. > > My question relates to anchors for the Bahamas where we plan to spend a > couple of years. Who has experience or access to studies or workshop > information. We know that in the hard pack, we need a pointy anchor to dig > in. I don't know if the SuperMax would work there because the three months > we spent over there, we spent either in marinas or on mooring balls. This > next trip, will require lots of anchoring. > > Thanks for your help. > > Bob > > Bob & Kemba DeGroot > MTOA # 1896; DFCruisers # 857; AGLCA # 427 > www.BoaterSites.com, Cell :713-876-8787, Skype: 1-281-506-2676 or > dr.bob.degroot > www.SalesHelp.com, www.MarinaCustomerServiceTraining.com, www.bobdegroot.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf > Of Bill > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:49 AM > To: Loop > Subject: GL: Anchors > > Well, I have been thoroughly corrected on- and offline about my ill-advised > request to skip over the anchors/anchoring matter. > > So, go ahead and discuss that or any other appropriate topic freely. > > I would like to encourage new listees, and the many "lurkers" we have, to > feel free to ask questions without concern if it is OK. > > I apologize for pulling the trigger too quickly. > > Smooth seas to all, > > Bill Donovan > Administrator > Great Loop List > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

Thanks John, We took 2.5 years to complete the loop and since we were working full-time (web-based company) we liked docking better so during that time we anchored very little. When we did, we dropped the steam shovel and forgot about it. However, in the Exumas around "swim with the pigs" Big Majors, we encountered some hard pack in which we had trouble digging in. Never felt comfortable so we went over and pick up a mooring ball off Thunderball Grotto (Bond that is, James Bond). The Danforth type anchors just pull out when the tide flips 180 degrees. The Bahamas mooring sets anchors 180 degrees from each other to allow for this. So far, we just picked up a mooring ball or hit a marina instead of risking the big boat. I heard that anchors like the plow, Rocna, and other similar anchors with a sharp point will find the crevice in the hard pack and dig in. Bob Bob DeGroot, M.Ed., DCH Sales Training International (281) 367-5599 (800) 551-7355 (713) 876-8787 (Cell) www.SalesHelp.com -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of John Mencel Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:32 AM To: Great Loop List Subject: Re: GL: Anchors Bob I personally believe the most important thing is to get your anchor to set properly (good scope) and make sure you back down on it. I am a Great Lakes boater (mostly sand) and did the Great Loop last year. My primary anchor was a Bruce, on 50 feet of chain and another 250 of rode on a 13 ton Hatteras. I too thought I should have a more "pointy" anchor for sand (although I always used my Bruce in the Great Lakes), and so I carried a danforth / fortress type as a secondary on my bow as well as a similar smaller version for a stern anchor. When I set out on the loop I thought I would be using the bow danforth / fortress style a lot during my travels, but in never came off its resting place. We anchored more than 60% of the time including the Keys, and the Bruce held in every bottom I encountered even with the boat swinging from tides and winds. Maybe I was just lucky the anchor never dragged, although I did set an anchor alarm (DragQueen) in windy conditions / strong currents).! And the Bruce was never too difficult to retrieve. You probably know all this stuff .. but I thought I would chime in anyways. This is a great forum and I too enjoy the daily commentary. John At Last > From: bob@saleshelp.com > To: trailersource@mindspring.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:17:37 -0600 > Subject: Re: GL: Anchors > > Thanks Bill. > > Okay, many of you know that I've been out there a few years and have > been a SuperMax fan since it held fast during Hurricane Ida. Just dug > itself too deep and was a bear to get up. That's always been the > problem with that anchor; it's a big, heavy steam shovel scoop that > won't turn loose without some interesting words being said over it. > > My question relates to anchors for the Bahamas where we plan to spend > a couple of years. Who has experience or access to studies or workshop > information. We know that in the hard pack, we need a pointy anchor to > dig in. I don't know if the SuperMax would work there because the > three months we spent over there, we spent either in marinas or on > mooring balls. This next trip, will require lots of anchoring. > > Thanks for your help. > > Bob > > Bob & Kemba DeGroot > MTOA # 1896; DFCruisers # 857; AGLCA # 427 www.BoaterSites.com, Cell > :713-876-8787, Skype: 1-281-506-2676 or dr.bob.degroot > www.SalesHelp.com, www.MarinaCustomerServiceTraining.com, > www.bobdegroot.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On > Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:49 AM > To: Loop > Subject: GL: Anchors > > Well, I have been thoroughly corrected on- and offline about my > ill-advised request to skip over the anchors/anchoring matter. > > So, go ahead and discuss that or any other appropriate topic freely. > > I would like to encourage new listees, and the many "lurkers" we have, > to feel free to ask questions without concern if it is OK. > > I apologize for pulling the trigger too quickly. > > Smooth seas to all, > > Bill Donovan > Administrator > Great Loop List > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawleri > ng.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlerin > g.com > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawleri > ng.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlerin > g.com _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com