Why hello, Mr. STB. Nice to make your (spatial) acquaintance. Just be thankful that your words don't begin with STD :-) I just learned about this whole thing a few hours ago, and am not convinced. As I understand it, the words are supposed to all be "dictionary words", which begs the question "How can a compact algorithm know how to confine itself to dictionary words without storing a list of all such words?". Anyway, it seems to me that a true emergency system needs to be able to detect an emergency condition and call for help without assistance from a conscious, coherent, victim. This implies machine-to-machine communications, which is both possible and practical, and no funny word lookups are necessary- just transmit raw GPS coordinates and be done with it. Meanwhile, don't be such a stranger. This group holds regular Zoom meetings, and they are fun. Dana On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Mark D. Travaglini WD8DPA via mvus-list < mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > I'm at: > > sensing.twisty.biologist > > What a bizarre choice of words... > > Mark T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Trevor > Clarke via mvus-list > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:29 PM > To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event > > I tend to prefer UTM (or MGRS...different view of the same data). But try > remembering a lat/lon to 6 digits precision, or an equivalent UTM...not > something I like to do with frequency. > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:57 PM Daun Yeagley via mvus-list < > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > Can't say that I care for it. I MUCH prefer Lat-Lon. At least it's > > logical. > > > > Daun > > > > On 7/29/2020 11:06 AM, Trevor Clarke via mvus-list wrote: > > > It's not designed to be geographically "useful" for calculating > > distances, > > > nearby squares, etc. It's meant to replace street addresses, > > > especially where those addresses don't exist (or aren't consistent). > > > The criteria > > are > > > that it's easy to remember/convey, it's unique worldwide, it's > > unambiguous, > > > and can locate areas that are small enough to be useful for > > > addresses in most situations. > > > That said, it's got a lot of problems, mostly the project used is > > > "web mercator" so it can have accuracy problems in areas of extreme > > > elevation change. The biggest issue is that the algorithm used to > > > calculate > > addresses > > > is proprietary so you need to use their service for lookups. People > > > have published functionally equivalent algorithms and been hit with > > > DMCA takedown notices. > > > I'm candy.cable.dome btw. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:49 AM Tom Holmes via mvus-list < > > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I looked up What3Words. It's a worse scheme than grid squares! But > > >> let > > the > > >> debate begin. > > >> > > >> Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of > > >> Trevor Clarke via mvus-list > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:27 AM > > >> To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > > >> Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > > >> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement > > >> Event > > >> > > >> But what's Daun's What3Words address? Inquiring minds want to know. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:22 AM Jim Bacher via mvus-list < > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> The August MVUS meeting will be the annual picnic, measurement > > >>> event > > and > > >>> election of officers. The normal monthly meeting at MCL will not > > >>> be > > held > > >> in > > >>> August. The picnic will be on Saturday, August 8 starting at about > > >>> 11 > > AM > > >> at > > >>> Daun Yeagley’s home. Daun’s GPS and street address are: : > > >>> > > >>> 39.506953, -83.862522 > > >>> > > >>> 1353 Gurneyville Rd > > >>> > > >>> Wilmington Oh 45177 > > >>> > > >>> https://goo.gl/maps/kNjTJnwyAR6CXzyg8 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> *Depending on weather we may have to cancel the event.* If it is > > >> cancelled > > >>> we will let you know on the MVUS e-mail list. Tom will not be > > >>> flame broiling his famous burgers this year. *Please bring your > > >>> own sandwich > > to > > >>> help with keeping the 2 meter separation.* MVUS will provide > > >>> snacks and drinks (in individual containers). > > >>> > > >>> *If you want any testing done at the picnic / Measurement event, > > contact > > >>> N8ZM at n8zm@mvus.org <n8zm@mvus.org>. *He needs to know what you > > >>> want > > >> to > > >>> test and the frequency range. Preamps, antennas, power amps. SWR > > bridges, > > >>> power supplies, meters, whatever. Just let Tom know so we can have > > >>> the right test gear available. > > >>> > > >>> Adapters for anything other than N, PL259, or SMA would be helpful. > > >>> Anything upto 6 GHz is easy above that advanced notice is > > >>> definitely needed. > > >>> > > >>> Bring a couple chairs as well, not to mention a mask. > > >>> > > >>> If you need additional details contact Tom Holmes N8ZM at > > n8zm@mvus.org > > >>> or > > >>> Jim Bacher at j.bacher@ieee.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Jim Bacher, WB8VSU > > >>> j.bacher@ieee.org > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> mvus-list mailing list > > >>> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Trevor R.H. Clarke > > >> Computer Science House > > >> Rochester Institute of Technology > > >> retrev@csh.rit.edu > > >> http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > > -- > Trevor R.H. Clarke > Computer Science House > Rochester Institute of Technology > retrev@csh.rit.edu > http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com >

Mark is only seldom seen at LWTG because he is still amongst the working class. He's on the list. Tom Holmes, N8ZM -----Original Message----- From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Dana Whitlow via mvus-list Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:19 PM To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> Cc: Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event Why hello, Mr. STB. Nice to make your (spatial) acquaintance. Just be thankful that your words don't begin with STD :-) I just learned about this whole thing a few hours ago, and am not convinced. As I understand it, the words are supposed to all be "dictionary words", which begs the question "How can a compact algorithm know how to confine itself to dictionary words without storing a list of all such words?". Anyway, it seems to me that a true emergency system needs to be able to detect an emergency condition and call for help without assistance from a conscious, coherent, victim. This implies machine-to-machine communications, which is both possible and practical, and no funny word lookups are necessary- just transmit raw GPS coordinates and be done with it. Meanwhile, don't be such a stranger. This group holds regular Zoom meetings, and they are fun. Dana On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Mark D. Travaglini WD8DPA via mvus-list < mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > I'm at: > > sensing.twisty.biologist > > What a bizarre choice of words... > > Mark T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Trevor > Clarke via mvus-list > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:29 PM > To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event > > I tend to prefer UTM (or MGRS...different view of the same data). But try > remembering a lat/lon to 6 digits precision, or an equivalent UTM...not > something I like to do with frequency. > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:57 PM Daun Yeagley via mvus-list < > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > Can't say that I care for it. I MUCH prefer Lat-Lon. At least it's > > logical. > > > > Daun > > > > On 7/29/2020 11:06 AM, Trevor Clarke via mvus-list wrote: > > > It's not designed to be geographically "useful" for calculating > > distances, > > > nearby squares, etc. It's meant to replace street addresses, > > > especially where those addresses don't exist (or aren't consistent). > > > The criteria > > are > > > that it's easy to remember/convey, it's unique worldwide, it's > > unambiguous, > > > and can locate areas that are small enough to be useful for > > > addresses in most situations. > > > That said, it's got a lot of problems, mostly the project used is > > > "web mercator" so it can have accuracy problems in areas of extreme > > > elevation change. The biggest issue is that the algorithm used to > > > calculate > > addresses > > > is proprietary so you need to use their service for lookups. People > > > have published functionally equivalent algorithms and been hit with > > > DMCA takedown notices. > > > I'm candy.cable.dome btw. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:49 AM Tom Holmes via mvus-list < > > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I looked up What3Words. It's a worse scheme than grid squares! But > > >> let > > the > > >> debate begin. > > >> > > >> Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of > > >> Trevor Clarke via mvus-list > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:27 AM > > >> To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > > >> Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > > >> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement > > >> Event > > >> > > >> But what's Daun's What3Words address? Inquiring minds want to know. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:22 AM Jim Bacher via mvus-list < > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> The August MVUS meeting will be the annual picnic, measurement > > >>> event > > and > > >>> election of officers. The normal monthly meeting at MCL will not > > >>> be > > held > > >> in > > >>> August. The picnic will be on Saturday, August 8 starting at about > > >>> 11 > > AM > > >> at > > >>> Daun Yeagley’s home. Daun’s GPS and street address are: : > > >>> > > >>> 39.506953, -83.862522 > > >>> > > >>> 1353 Gurneyville Rd > > >>> > > >>> Wilmington Oh 45177 > > >>> > > >>> https://goo.gl/maps/kNjTJnwyAR6CXzyg8 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> *Depending on weather we may have to cancel the event.* If it is > > >> cancelled > > >>> we will let you know on the MVUS e-mail list. Tom will not be > > >>> flame broiling his famous burgers this year. *Please bring your > > >>> own sandwich > > to > > >>> help with keeping the 2 meter separation.* MVUS will provide > > >>> snacks and drinks (in individual containers). > > >>> > > >>> *If you want any testing done at the picnic / Measurement event, > > contact > > >>> N8ZM at n8zm@mvus.org <n8zm@mvus.org>. *He needs to know what you > > >>> want > > >> to > > >>> test and the frequency range. Preamps, antennas, power amps. SWR > > bridges, > > >>> power supplies, meters, whatever. Just let Tom know so we can have > > >>> the right test gear available. > > >>> > > >>> Adapters for anything other than N, PL259, or SMA would be helpful. > > >>> Anything upto 6 GHz is easy above that advanced notice is > > >>> definitely needed. > > >>> > > >>> Bring a couple chairs as well, not to mention a mask. > > >>> > > >>> If you need additional details contact Tom Holmes N8ZM at > > n8zm@mvus.org > > >>> or > > >>> Jim Bacher at j.bacher@ieee.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Jim Bacher, WB8VSU > > >>> j.bacher@ieee.org > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> mvus-list mailing list > > >>> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Trevor R.H. Clarke > > >> Computer Science House > > >> Rochester Institute of Technology > > >> retrev@csh.rit.edu > > >> http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > > -- > Trevor R.H. Clarke > Computer Science House > Rochester Institute of Technology > retrev@csh.rit.edu > http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@lists.febo.com http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com

At the end of my driveway, I am ///walnuts.visited.pencils. Who knew? In my kitchen, I am ///donation.anyhow.dishes. Interesting. At the door to my shed, where I keep my lawnmower, snowblower, and other internal combustion power tools, I am ///escaping.vibrations.apparatus. I'm not making this up! Tom Holmes, N8ZM. -----Original Message----- From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Tom Holmes via mvus-list Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:29 PM To: 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> Cc: Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event Mark is only seldom seen at LWTG because he is still amongst the working class. He's on the list. Tom Holmes, N8ZM -----Original Message----- From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Dana Whitlow via mvus-list Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:19 PM To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> Cc: Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event Why hello, Mr. STB. Nice to make your (spatial) acquaintance. Just be thankful that your words don't begin with STD :-) I just learned about this whole thing a few hours ago, and am not convinced. As I understand it, the words are supposed to all be "dictionary words", which begs the question "How can a compact algorithm know how to confine itself to dictionary words without storing a list of all such words?". Anyway, it seems to me that a true emergency system needs to be able to detect an emergency condition and call for help without assistance from a conscious, coherent, victim. This implies machine-to-machine communications, which is both possible and practical, and no funny word lookups are necessary- just transmit raw GPS coordinates and be done with it. Meanwhile, don't be such a stranger. This group holds regular Zoom meetings, and they are fun. Dana On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Mark D. Travaglini WD8DPA via mvus-list < mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > I'm at: > > sensing.twisty.biologist > > What a bizarre choice of words... > > Mark T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Trevor > Clarke via mvus-list > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:29 PM > To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event > > I tend to prefer UTM (or MGRS...different view of the same data). But try > remembering a lat/lon to 6 digits precision, or an equivalent UTM...not > something I like to do with frequency. > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:57 PM Daun Yeagley via mvus-list < > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > Can't say that I care for it. I MUCH prefer Lat-Lon. At least it's > > logical. > > > > Daun > > > > On 7/29/2020 11:06 AM, Trevor Clarke via mvus-list wrote: > > > It's not designed to be geographically "useful" for calculating > > distances, > > > nearby squares, etc. It's meant to replace street addresses, > > > especially where those addresses don't exist (or aren't consistent). > > > The criteria > > are > > > that it's easy to remember/convey, it's unique worldwide, it's > > unambiguous, > > > and can locate areas that are small enough to be useful for > > > addresses in most situations. > > > That said, it's got a lot of problems, mostly the project used is > > > "web mercator" so it can have accuracy problems in areas of extreme > > > elevation change. The biggest issue is that the algorithm used to > > > calculate > > addresses > > > is proprietary so you need to use their service for lookups. People > > > have published functionally equivalent algorithms and been hit with > > > DMCA takedown notices. > > > I'm candy.cable.dome btw. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:49 AM Tom Holmes via mvus-list < > > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I looked up What3Words. It's a worse scheme than grid squares! But > > >> let > > the > > >> debate begin. > > >> > > >> Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of > > >> Trevor Clarke via mvus-list > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:27 AM > > >> To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > > >> Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > > >> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement > > >> Event > > >> > > >> But what's Daun's What3Words address? Inquiring minds want to know. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:22 AM Jim Bacher via mvus-list < > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> The August MVUS meeting will be the annual picnic, measurement > > >>> event > > and > > >>> election of officers. The normal monthly meeting at MCL will not > > >>> be > > held > > >> in > > >>> August. The picnic will be on Saturday, August 8 starting at about > > >>> 11 > > AM > > >> at > > >>> Daun Yeagley’s home. Daun’s GPS and street address are: : > > >>> > > >>> 39.506953, -83.862522 > > >>> > > >>> 1353 Gurneyville Rd > > >>> > > >>> Wilmington Oh 45177 > > >>> > > >>> https://goo.gl/maps/kNjTJnwyAR6CXzyg8 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> *Depending on weather we may have to cancel the event.* If it is > > >> cancelled > > >>> we will let you know on the MVUS e-mail list. Tom will not be > > >>> flame broiling his famous burgers this year. *Please bring your > > >>> own sandwich > > to > > >>> help with keeping the 2 meter separation.* MVUS will provide > > >>> snacks and drinks (in individual containers). > > >>> > > >>> *If you want any testing done at the picnic / Measurement event, > > contact > > >>> N8ZM at n8zm@mvus.org <n8zm@mvus.org>. *He needs to know what you > > >>> want > > >> to > > >>> test and the frequency range. Preamps, antennas, power amps. SWR > > bridges, > > >>> power supplies, meters, whatever. Just let Tom know so we can have > > >>> the right test gear available. > > >>> > > >>> Adapters for anything other than N, PL259, or SMA would be helpful. > > >>> Anything upto 6 GHz is easy above that advanced notice is > > >>> definitely needed. > > >>> > > >>> Bring a couple chairs as well, not to mention a mask. > > >>> > > >>> If you need additional details contact Tom Holmes N8ZM at > > n8zm@mvus.org > > >>> or > > >>> Jim Bacher at j.bacher@ieee.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Jim Bacher, WB8VSU > > >>> j.bacher@ieee.org > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> mvus-list mailing list > > >>> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Trevor R.H. Clarke > > >> Computer Science House > > >> Rochester Institute of Technology > > >> retrev@csh.rit.edu > > >> http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > > -- > Trevor R.H. Clarke > Computer Science House > Rochester Institute of Technology > retrev@csh.rit.edu > http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@lists.febo.com http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@lists.febo.com http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com

You also need to specify a datum. And if you include an attitude you need an ellipsoid Trevor R.H. Clarke, K8TRC On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 6:19 PM Dana Whitlow via mvus-list < mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Why hello, Mr. STB. Nice to make your (spatial) acquaintance. > Just be thankful that your words don't begin with STD :-) > > I just learned about this whole thing a few hours ago, and > am not convinced. As I understand it, the words are supposed > to all be "dictionary words", which begs the question "How can > a compact algorithm know how to confine itself to dictionary > words without storing a list of all such words?". Anyway, it seems > to me that a true emergency system needs to be able to detect > an emergency condition and call for help without assistance from > a conscious, coherent, victim. This implies machine-to-machine > communications, which is both possible and practical, and no funny > word lookups are necessary- just transmit raw GPS coordinates > and be done with it. > > Meanwhile, don't be such a stranger. This group holds regular > Zoom meetings, and they are fun. > > Dana > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Mark D. Travaglini WD8DPA via mvus-list < > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > I'm at: > > > > sensing.twisty.biologist > > > > What a bizarre choice of words... > > > > Mark T. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Trevor > > Clarke via mvus-list > > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:29 PM > > To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > > Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event > > > > I tend to prefer UTM (or MGRS...different view of the same data). But try > > remembering a lat/lon to 6 digits precision, or an equivalent UTM...not > > something I like to do with frequency. > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:57 PM Daun Yeagley via mvus-list < > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > Can't say that I care for it. I MUCH prefer Lat-Lon. At least it's > > > logical. > > > > > > Daun > > > > > > On 7/29/2020 11:06 AM, Trevor Clarke via mvus-list wrote: > > > > It's not designed to be geographically "useful" for calculating > > > distances, > > > > nearby squares, etc. It's meant to replace street addresses, > > > > especially where those addresses don't exist (or aren't consistent). > > > > The criteria > > > are > > > > that it's easy to remember/convey, it's unique worldwide, it's > > > unambiguous, > > > > and can locate areas that are small enough to be useful for > > > > addresses in most situations. > > > > That said, it's got a lot of problems, mostly the project used is > > > > "web mercator" so it can have accuracy problems in areas of extreme > > > > elevation change. The biggest issue is that the algorithm used to > > > > calculate > > > addresses > > > > is proprietary so you need to use their service for lookups. People > > > > have published functionally equivalent algorithms and been hit with > > > > DMCA takedown notices. > > > > I'm candy.cable.dome btw. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:49 AM Tom Holmes via mvus-list < > > > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I looked up What3Words. It's a worse scheme than grid squares! But > > > >> let > > > the > > > >> debate begin. > > > >> > > > >> Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of > > > >> Trevor Clarke via mvus-list > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:27 AM > > > >> To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > > > >> Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > > > >> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement > > > >> Event > > > >> > > > >> But what's Daun's What3Words address? Inquiring minds want to know. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:22 AM Jim Bacher via mvus-list < > > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> The August MVUS meeting will be the annual picnic, measurement > > > >>> event > > > and > > > >>> election of officers. The normal monthly meeting at MCL will not > > > >>> be > > > held > > > >> in > > > >>> August. The picnic will be on Saturday, August 8 starting at about > > > >>> 11 > > > AM > > > >> at > > > >>> Daun Yeagley’s home. Daun’s GPS and street address are: : > > > >>> > > > >>> 39.506953, -83.862522 > > > >>> > > > >>> 1353 Gurneyville Rd > > > >>> > > > >>> Wilmington Oh 45177 > > > >>> > > > >>> https://goo.gl/maps/kNjTJnwyAR6CXzyg8 > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> *Depending on weather we may have to cancel the event.* If it is > > > >> cancelled > > > >>> we will let you know on the MVUS e-mail list. Tom will not be > > > >>> flame broiling his famous burgers this year. *Please bring your > > > >>> own sandwich > > > to > > > >>> help with keeping the 2 meter separation.* MVUS will provide > > > >>> snacks and drinks (in individual containers). > > > >>> > > > >>> *If you want any testing done at the picnic / Measurement event, > > > contact > > > >>> N8ZM at n8zm@mvus.org <n8zm@mvus.org>. *He needs to know what you > > > >>> want > > > >> to > > > >>> test and the frequency range. Preamps, antennas, power amps. SWR > > > bridges, > > > >>> power supplies, meters, whatever. Just let Tom know so we can have > > > >>> the right test gear available. > > > >>> > > > >>> Adapters for anything other than N, PL259, or SMA would be helpful. > > > >>> Anything upto 6 GHz is easy above that advanced notice is > > > >>> definitely needed. > > > >>> > > > >>> Bring a couple chairs as well, not to mention a mask. > > > >>> > > > >>> If you need additional details contact Tom Holmes N8ZM at > > > n8zm@mvus.org > > > >>> or > > > >>> Jim Bacher at j.bacher@ieee.org > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Jim Bacher, WB8VSU > > > >>> j.bacher@ieee.org > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> mvus-list mailing list > > > >>> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > >>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Trevor R.H. Clarke > > > >> Computer Science House > > > >> Rochester Institute of Technology > > > >> retrev@csh.rit.edu > > > >> http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > mvus-list mailing list > > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Trevor R.H. Clarke > > Computer Science House > > Rochester Institute of Technology > > retrev@csh.rit.edu > > http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com >

I suppose we'll just have to give Mark some remedial training in lifestyles. Dana On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:29 PM Tom Holmes via mvus-list < mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Mark is only seldom seen at LWTG because he is still amongst the working > class. He's on the list. > > Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Dana > Whitlow via mvus-list > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:19 PM > To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event > > Why hello, Mr. STB. Nice to make your (spatial) acquaintance. > Just be thankful that your words don't begin with STD :-) > > I just learned about this whole thing a few hours ago, and > am not convinced. As I understand it, the words are supposed > to all be "dictionary words", which begs the question "How can > a compact algorithm know how to confine itself to dictionary > words without storing a list of all such words?". Anyway, it seems > to me that a true emergency system needs to be able to detect > an emergency condition and call for help without assistance from > a conscious, coherent, victim. This implies machine-to-machine > communications, which is both possible and practical, and no funny > word lookups are necessary- just transmit raw GPS coordinates > and be done with it. > > Meanwhile, don't be such a stranger. This group holds regular > Zoom meetings, and they are fun. > > Dana > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Mark D. Travaglini WD8DPA via mvus-list < > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > I'm at: > > > > sensing.twisty.biologist > > > > What a bizarre choice of words... > > > > Mark T. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Trevor > > Clarke via mvus-list > > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:29 PM > > To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > > Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement Event > > > > I tend to prefer UTM (or MGRS...different view of the same data). But try > > remembering a lat/lon to 6 digits precision, or an equivalent UTM...not > > something I like to do with frequency. > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:57 PM Daun Yeagley via mvus-list < > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > Can't say that I care for it. I MUCH prefer Lat-Lon. At least it's > > > logical. > > > > > > Daun > > > > > > On 7/29/2020 11:06 AM, Trevor Clarke via mvus-list wrote: > > > > It's not designed to be geographically "useful" for calculating > > > distances, > > > > nearby squares, etc. It's meant to replace street addresses, > > > > especially where those addresses don't exist (or aren't consistent). > > > > The criteria > > > are > > > > that it's easy to remember/convey, it's unique worldwide, it's > > > unambiguous, > > > > and can locate areas that are small enough to be useful for > > > > addresses in most situations. > > > > That said, it's got a lot of problems, mostly the project used is > > > > "web mercator" so it can have accuracy problems in areas of extreme > > > > elevation change. The biggest issue is that the algorithm used to > > > > calculate > > > addresses > > > > is proprietary so you need to use their service for lookups. People > > > > have published functionally equivalent algorithms and been hit with > > > > DMCA takedown notices. > > > > I'm candy.cable.dome btw. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:49 AM Tom Holmes via mvus-list < > > > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I looked up What3Words. It's a worse scheme than grid squares! But > > > >> let > > > the > > > >> debate begin. > > > >> > > > >> Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of > > > >> Trevor Clarke via mvus-list > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:27 AM > > > >> To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > > > >> Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > > > >> Subject: Re: [mvus-list] August MVUS Annual Picnic and Measurement > > > >> Event > > > >> > > > >> But what's Daun's What3Words address? Inquiring minds want to know. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:22 AM Jim Bacher via mvus-list < > > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> The August MVUS meeting will be the annual picnic, measurement > > > >>> event > > > and > > > >>> election of officers. The normal monthly meeting at MCL will not > > > >>> be > > > held > > > >> in > > > >>> August. The picnic will be on Saturday, August 8 starting at about > > > >>> 11 > > > AM > > > >> at > > > >>> Daun Yeagley’s home. Daun’s GPS and street address are: : > > > >>> > > > >>> 39.506953, -83.862522 > > > >>> > > > >>> 1353 Gurneyville Rd > > > >>> > > > >>> Wilmington Oh 45177 > > > >>> > > > >>> https://goo.gl/maps/kNjTJnwyAR6CXzyg8 > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> *Depending on weather we may have to cancel the event.* If it is > > > >> cancelled > > > >>> we will let you know on the MVUS e-mail list. Tom will not be > > > >>> flame broiling his famous burgers this year. *Please bring your > > > >>> own sandwich > > > to > > > >>> help with keeping the 2 meter separation.* MVUS will provide > > > >>> snacks and drinks (in individual containers). > > > >>> > > > >>> *If you want any testing done at the picnic / Measurement event, > > > contact > > > >>> N8ZM at n8zm@mvus.org <n8zm@mvus.org>. *He needs to know what you > > > >>> want > > > >> to > > > >>> test and the frequency range. Preamps, antennas, power amps. SWR > > > bridges, > > > >>> power supplies, meters, whatever. Just let Tom know so we can have > > > >>> the right test gear available. > > > >>> > > > >>> Adapters for anything other than N, PL259, or SMA would be helpful. > > > >>> Anything upto 6 GHz is easy above that advanced notice is > > > >>> definitely needed. > > > >>> > > > >>> Bring a couple chairs as well, not to mention a mask. > > > >>> > > > >>> If you need additional details contact Tom Holmes N8ZM at > > > n8zm@mvus.org > > > >>> or > > > >>> Jim Bacher at j.bacher@ieee.org > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Jim Bacher, WB8VSU > > > >>> j.bacher@ieee.org > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> mvus-list mailing list > > > >>> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > >>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Trevor R.H. Clarke > > > >> Computer Science House > > > >> Rochester Institute of Technology > > > >> retrev@csh.rit.edu > > > >> http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> mvus-list mailing list > > > >> mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > mvus-list mailing list > > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Trevor R.H. Clarke > > Computer Science House > > Rochester Institute of Technology > > retrev@csh.rit.edu > > http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/ > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com >

Just keep in mind this is the MVUS list not LWTG list. To be on this list you need to be a paid up member of MVUS. This list is supposed to be VHF and up discussions. Where LWTG anything goes. There are a number of people who are common to both lists, which causes confusion once in a while as to which list one is posting to. Jim